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avigal
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Initially Posted - 08/21/2007 : 14:27:46

Hello,

I received as a gift 1984 c25 with swing keel. The boat had not used for seven years, and the lines need to be replace, also, the 7.5 out board Sail Master engine does not start.

my first problem is that i need to move the boat. My friend had sold his house, so it urgent...

So, I was wondering if any of you is local, and can provide some advice?

Here are some pictures,
http://picasaweb.google.com/JavaDive/BoatJune13?authkey=cZIK9-MU4QQ
Any feed back on any thing you see will be great!

Thank you,

Ron

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 15:35:41

Wow, nice gift. Welcome! You'll find a lot of information on this forum.

Several questions come to mind. Where are you in the country? Maybe a member is close. Is the boat on a trailer, cradle or in the water? If on a trailer, do you have LOTS of truck. F-250 able to tow 8 - 10,000 pounds. If on a cradle, I'd sugesst hiring a boat hauler if you need it moved in a hurry. If in the water, do you know how to sail it? Finally, while it might be worth (guessing here) between $8 -12k depending on condition, there is also the possibility that it is worth nothing if it isn't seaworthy. So, depending on your level of boat knowledge, it might be worth the expense of having a professional survey done on the boat. It will cost, depending where you are in the country, between $300 - $500. That would provide you with a detailed list of the things that will NEED to be done to the boat to insure safety and also the things NICE to be done get it "ship shape" since it has been sitting un-used for so long. As to the motor, it's may be as old as the boat so, I'd have a professional take a look but plan on replacing it. Even if you need to buy a new motor (about $2k), sails (another $1.5 -$2k) rigging (less than $1k) you're still well ahead of the game if the boat is sound.

Sorry, re-read the title of the post. Assuming it's Lake Travis in Austin, Tx. You'll find a number of Texans here willing to help.

Had a hard time getting to your photos. Finally got there.

Edited by - John Russell on 08/21/2007 15:50:45

avigal
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 16:36:39

HI john,

Thank you for the reply. The boat is at Lake Travis Austin TX, and it located at my friend house (sold)boat house, so the boat is in water. The boat is dry and seems like in good condition, need major cleaning, new lines, I was not able to raise the sail to inspect them (lines are in really bad shape). I have sailing experience, but this had been a while ago, and max of 21 feet. So, I will have some learning to do, but base on what I read on this board, it seems like a good boat.
The engine seems original, so I will guess it is from 1984, but the head seems clean. I assume that at the min. the carburetor will need to be re-build/clean. And the tiller handle/throttle twist grip is bad and will need to be replace.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 16:43:56

Welcome aboard, Ron. You'll find that the people in this association are really very helpful, and some even have a good sense of humor! - LOL - That really is a nice gift. From the pics, it looks like you don't have too much clean-up to do. The 1984 model we bought last fall looked a lot like yours on the outside. You'll be amazed at how much better it will look after an hour or two with a pressure washer and soap. A weekend working on the inside will get it looking great, too. I didn't notice any water stains coming down the "walls" above your side shelves. That's good. Hope you don't have any leaks at the hull/deck joints.If the teak handrails topside haven't been treated in a long time, they'll be dry and you probably are going to have at least 1 leak at the screws or bolts holding the handrails to the deck.
I gambled and didn't get a survey. Since you received it as a gift, I would definitely recommend getting the survey. It'll save you a lot of worry.
We spent around $2,500 fixing ours up: haul-out and new bottom job, cleaning sails, replacing running rigging, new VHF radio, etc., excluding the motor. That's a whole other story, still ongoing. Good luck with your new toy.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 16:49:23

Ron - give Steve Steakley a call 928-3655 - he has a C30 on Lake Travis (used to have a C250 on Canyon Lake) and he may either be able to help or tell you of someone who can. You can tell him I suggested it!

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txbigfoot
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 18:10:37

I am on travis and have a huge trailer that would accomadate a catalina 25. If you are interested, i can help and would be cheaper than any commercial venture.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 19:41:43

I'd take txbigfoot up on his offer. If the boat has been in the water and un-used for 7 years, at least you know the hull doesn't have any big leaks.

But, you really need to take a good look at the bottom and inspect and maybe replace the swing keel lifting assembly. It's been said on this forum before but bears repeating here. The swing keel is 1500 pounds of cast iron. If it falls suddenly, it will likely put a BIG HOLE where your hull used to be. Your boat will sink -- fast! So, at the very least, get it out of the water and get somone with the right knowledge to look at the keel cable, connectors, pivot, winch, etc. Some of that should be replaced simply as good routine maintenance after 7+ years.

Have fun with your new toy. You'll find it easy to sail.

There are a lot of postings about the swing keel version. Start reading. You'll learn a lot. Take a lot of pictures as you clean it up and post them here. It's nice to see the transition.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 20:24:32

Hey Derek,

You don't know anyone at Canyon or Travis that might have a C25 For Sale do you?

Gary

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 08/21/2007 : 23:15:20

You guys should see the one Gary B isn't buying...

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avigal
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 05:27:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by txbigfoot
 I am on travis and have a huge trailer that would accomadate a catalina 25. If you are interested, i can help and would be cheaper than any commercial venture.
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I like the idea, it will be easier to service, and I am sure the bottom paint need to be removed and re-paint.
Plus keel inspection service.

The only problem is that, I will still need to tow the boat to location were it can be removed from the water.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 06:48:51

Get seatow or boatus towing insurance and then have them tow it for you. You're going to want to have that anyway, unless neither one operates on Lake Travis.

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Justin
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 07:28:18

Welcome to the site Ron, you'll find tons of help here when needed. I bought my '82 swing keel C-25 last year in similar condition to yours. Like dmpilc said, probably a weekend of cleaning and she will look a lot better! I'm sure you will then find lots of projects to work on with time and a survey will be able to point them out to you. This past May and June I completed a ton of work to my C-25, replaced all the swing keel hardware, lots of electrical/lighting, plumbing, rigging, and other projects. A lot of those projects I did not first realize when I bought my boat because I didn't get a survey and didn't have any sailing/boating friends to help me shop. I just did a lot of research before buying and did my best at looking around. If you have questions, you'll find tons of information with the search feature on the forum and if you can't find an answer there feel free to ask. As John said, definitely get the keel checked out. You'll find lots of posts on here and you can also check out my sailblog linked below for photos and reading of the work I did in May and June.

Good luck with getting her ready to sail and hopefully you'll be enjoying some sailing soon!

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Chris Z
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:27:36

I would have to agree with Justin. I did the same with cleaning mine up. Here is some inspiration.

First Day of Ownership in November 2006:

Last Week at Mooring:

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 11:00:32

Gary B. (the one in Texas) I just checked with the marina and they don't have any C25's listed for sale - but I'll ask around at the Yacht Club this weekend. (The marina road is still flooded but they are running the powerboat shuttle again from the other marina).

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 08/22/2007 : 19:19:38

Thanks Derek. I called Don this morning and got the same answer as you. I sign on as GaryB and the other person on this forum is Gary B. Mine has no space.

If I could pick up a '83 Tall Rig/Fin Keel in solid condition with the dinette interior for $3500 - $4,000 would that be considered a decent deal. It needs a bottom job and possibly a new motor but it has 2 headsails of unknown age and a main. No roller furler. The boat is basically stock otherwise.

Gary

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broudbrun
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 10:11:26

Are you (Ron) keepign the boat on Travis or moving it to another lake?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 11:31:50

Fpr towing to a ramp, perhaps you can find a friend with a powerboat to help.

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avigal
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 12:32:44

I am happy to say that one my friends with power boat had agree to help me move it, so today is the big day.

I did call SeaTow, and your boat need to be in working order, and no tow calls for the first month....
So, this was not an option, towing rate is $150 per hour (ouch)

I am keeping the boat in Lake Travis, so today tow, will be from my friend house to marina.

Than, working on the EVINRUDE sail master 7.5, I am trying to find a place to buy the parts, need to take the sails down to be inspected, and change the lines (will need help for that).

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 12:39:57

DANGER Will Robinson!!!!! You must not exceed 5 knots under tow or your boat will explode! When a power boat tows a sailboat the huge danger is that the power boat will exceed the hull speed of the sailboat and at the very least rip the cleat off the deck and at the worst drag the boat under water. YOU must stay in control of the tow line so that YOU can cut it loose if the powerboat operator fails to follow the speed requirements. Seriously, if you have little experience with towing sailboats you must be very vigilant.

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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 13:15:36

From personal experience, TowBoatUS in Ft Lauderdale was towing the C25 I was buying in off its mooring. They failed to remember that it had a mast and pulled it under a draw bridge at better than 10 knots. The owner was aboard and was thrown into the water as the front of the boat was raised into the air by the mast striking the bridge. When the rigging collapsed, the hull slammed back into the water, breaking the keel cable. The resulting freefalling keel cracked the hull and the boat started sinking. I got my deposit back fron TowBoatUS and they paid the owner handsomely.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:02:55

At 10 knots it would have had to be planing and skipping like a stone, that must have been a sight to see. I wonder how they got it up on plane before it "sailed under" or lost fittings.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 15:17:34

Well, THAT makes me feel great about the "professionals" at tow companies...

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avigal
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 19:27:36

What do you mean 5 knots? We towed it today at 15 knots!!!

just kidding, we gone nice and slow, my friend have sail boat experience, and he was able to land me on my spot on the first try. To my surprise easy move, and it save me $300...

now the real work start.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/23/2007 : 22:03:48

For a really good, professional cleaning and minor repairing of the sails, I recommend Sail Care, Inc. in Ford City, PA. They'll give you an estimate over the phone before they start if you wish. I've used them several times over the years and have been pleased with their work.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/24/2007 : 06:39:37

I hope you tied the tow line off to the base of the mast and not to a cleat

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avigal
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Response Posted - 08/24/2007 : 18:44:24

can any one tell me if my boat is tall rig?

Also, approximately how much are new sails?

thanks

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