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quilombo
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Initially Posted - 05/07/2008 : 19:52:57

for my outboard

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 20:24:21

So, on your other thread, 'interior view' are we looking at a canvas cover for the business end of that steering wheel?

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 20:41:44

right

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 21:31:04

I had forgotten about this mod you planned, congratulations on getting it done the way you wanted it. I wonder when you will understand our reservations about it. Do you still have a tiller attached to the rudder? I don't see how you could. Are there really other sailboats with wheels like this where you sail?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 22:25:58

Do you remove the rudder when you're running the outboard and steering with the wheel? Or do you have the rudder and outboard connected?

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 22:44:33

yes, the tiller is on the rudder , and when I tilt the motor up, its like its not there, Its like I mentioned earlier, its only when Im under power,

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quilombo
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Response Posted - 05/07/2008 : 22:45:29

I remove the rudder under power

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 00:04:16

Did you used to have a power boat??

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 02:15:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by quilombo
 I remove the rudder under power<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Since the rudder is removed under power, I assume that steerage is only available when the outboard is in gear, like a powerboat, right? If so, do you anticipate any manueverability issues around the docks?

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 05:20:17

I do not know what to make of this mod. I guess if it works for you...then great. I guess what goes thru my mind is...did you ever consider getting a motor boat and adding a mast to it instead of adding a steering wheel and throttle control to a Cat 25. I guess putting a mast on a motorboat is harder to do so your mod is actually a less costly way of adding an up front control. It just goes against my grain to have something like that on a sailboat and...removes that area for anyone that wants to rest their back against the bulkhead.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 08:23:40

I'm speechless ...............

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suttergold
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 08:46:28

It is not my intention to offend anyone, but to put a wheel on such a classic looking boat like the Catalina 25 is like jacking up a vintage car and converting it to a four wheel drive truck. I currently own a Catalina 250, when I was looking to upgrade from a Catalina 22 I could not find a Catalina 25 to purchase. The look of a Catalina 25 is so pleasing to the eye and there is not a boat out there that has the lines and look. I can only say that if I was looking to purchase a 25 I would pass on a boat with a wheel like that.

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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 08:47:39

Why not take it one final step? Put a hard link between the motor and rudder and throw away the tiller. Now we're back to the 'wheel vs. tiller' arguement!

Enjoy!

Ed

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 09:48:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ed Cassidy
 Put a hard link between the motor and rudder...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I was sorta thinking the same thing, although I don't know how that link can work with the motor lifted up for sailing... Yes, with the rudder off, he's driving a powerboat, except it should have better tracking--less side-slip when maneuvering--I'm still learning about those things.

C'mon, guys--different strokes... He has severe depth problems at his dock and maybe can't leave the rudder on. If he wants to sell her, he can remove the wheel and put a depth gauge there. (I would've bought a catboat.

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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 09:56:02

BTW, Guglielmo, when you put that rudder on to sail, are you pinning it with something in the hole at the bottom of the upper pintle (the "hinge pin")? We don't want it coming off when you're sailing in some heavy chop and a stiff breeze. The hole is for a cotter pin or ring--it's important.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 10:43:31

Are there tilt-up rudders for C25s? That would be easier than having to take the rudder off each time.

And, for the record, this setup does not constitute "wheel steering!!"

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 11:35:38

Oh my heavens

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 12:11:37

I chartered a 43 foot center-cockpit boat in the BVI that had an offset steering set up like this even though it offended my sense of aesthetics it did make picking up mooring buoys and docking in tight spaces(at least when the dock was on the starboard side)easier. Of course, it was attached to the rudder and it was a 43 foot boat. This mod seems a little extreme and unnecessary for a C-25. I hope that it works for you in the long run. It certainly makes your boat unique and will get you a lot of second looks and comments.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 12:21:36

Hmm...seems the wheel and throttle might get in the way when clambering about, especially when it gets a little choppy...do you remove the wheel while underway?

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 16:15:44

A kick up rudder sounds like an excellent suggestion for this configuration (Randy, its very impressive how you wheel guys stick together)

Guglielmo: a 'tiller tamer' might also be a good alternative to tiller removal.
Sometimes I use bungy cords or a hiking stick like this one from Forespar.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 20:59:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 Guglielmo: a 'tiller tamer' might also be a good alternative to tiller removal. Sometimes I use bungy cords or a hiking stick...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...except that if he locks the rudder on center, it will work against steering with the engine. Then again if it isn't locked, when backing it will create a real problem. I'd say if he's steering with the engine instead of the rudder, he needs to remove the rudder, or get a kick-up rudder as on...

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 22:02:21

I've often used both the OB tiller and the Rudder tiller in tight spots around the dock where we have a 2-3 knot current.
With this setup, he may have some advantages co-managing the tiller and the OB.

My tiller-tamer suggestion is based on my unhappy experiences wrangling a rudder while afloat on bumpy seas. If the rudder can be left on, it should be left on.
I don't see why there would be a problem with a centered rudder (tied off) and the sole use of an OB for tight maneuvering.

That said, I think a centered OB and the sole use of a rudder/tiller is by far the most effective way to maneuver these boats.

I'm on a lake that has more MacGregors per square mile than any other place on earth. If you want to see boats with kickup rudders hitting docks and other boats, come out here and watch the fun.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/08/2008 : 23:37:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Randy, its very impressive how you wheel guys stick together<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

GGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 05/09/2008 : 06:04:34

You just should have bought a MacGregor.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 05/09/2008 : 08:16:13

This is a cool mod for cruising around New York harbor and up the Hudson. I would also like to see a swivel captain's chair added. This is such a unique boat!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/09/2008 : 08:25:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 I'm on a lake that has more MacGregors per square mile than any other place on earth. If you want to see boats with kickup rudders hitting docks and other boats, come out here and watch the fun.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

One time at my marina, a Macgregor owner launched his boat at the ramp and tried to get to his slip with empty ballast tanks and both board and rudders up. Needless to say, he had virtually zero manueverability. Fellow boaters were running up and down the docks trying to help the poor guy fend off from the docks and other boats and by the time I broke out my boathook, others had wrangled him him. Afterwards, another Macgregor WB owner said to me, "manuevering with empty ballast tanks and rudders up, is like trying to steer a beach ball".

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