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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 12:38:56

Duane,
From empirical observation, you're correct, there is no wind shadow & you can't hit another boat. You can hit land if you try hard enough.

You can't turn off the extra boats so you show only your friends, or if you can I haven't figured out how either (10 years as a software tester, I've played with everything in the UI).

It's funny you should mention the popularity of the previous thread, it sat forlorn for several weeks after the first leg started, and I was going to be content racing my friend Chris, then all of a sudden there was interest (enough to get my wife involved, which I'm grateful for).

As far as the restart goes, I agree with Duane, they were smarter than the rest of us, and didn't break any rules, so why are they being penalized? While I'm grateful that I might get a chance for a better spot, I don't think the restart was necessary. You'd never be able to do that in a real race.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 12:44:07

Restarted...

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 13:22:11

I've been reading a bit, and apparently there's no way for a boat with 14' draft to sail through the slot between India & Sri Lanka, the northern part of the route is all but a swamp. I don't have confirmation of this yet, but if so, I think they should have taken that solution since it's real world, then the guys who ran north would simply go aground, just like they would if they were really sailing there. I'm looking for a chart for the area to check depths.

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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 14:32:47

Restarted??? Not yet (at least not in my gui.)
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
RESTART PROCEDURE

All boats will be teleported to the start point off the southern end of Sri Lanka.
The restart will happen at 11:00 (GMT +1) on 16 December 2008.
The starting position will be 05°600N - 80°600E.
All boats will be sailed automatically until you can log in.
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I'm not complaining! my gui server must have gone offline last night, I posted a notice to the admin with the error code, they fixed it (ok, it 'fixed' itself) but I lost a gazillion positions.

I get the night off :) 1100 gmt+1 is 6 hours later here. So restart is at 5am Tuesday??? right???

Paul

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 14:59:09

Only on the right coast, here on the left, it's 2am.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 15:09:06

I'm going to benefit from a restart since the 2 knot wind seemed to follow me anywhere I went.

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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 15:58:20

I sailed into a hole sometime yesterday, and it took several hours of wallowing before the server would accept my tack/course change. The error was in FR(?), but I suspect some kind of server error.

FINALLY managed to get out of that, and decided I needed to get N of the course line; THEN I couldn't tack back over to P - same error. I wasnt thrilled about going from under 10k to almost 70k, but I figure with almost 100k boats in the water all bunched up, it's easy to gain/lose a LOT of ground in a hurry - no biggie.

Now they're saying "restart". Personally, I'd vote to just ground the boats taking the shortcut when the water get shallow, and let the rest of us motor on our merry way.

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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 16:04:33

I almost took the northern route myself but though the winds were too head on. Yeah, keeping north of the orange line is a must. To the point that I`m considerig heading North in the beginning so I can Code Zero it downwind to the finish.

About having 90K boats in there I'm not sure if this is true. As far as I can tell I always see the same 15 boats. Their ranking changes but I wonder if its fake. Could it be that there are only 15 of us in there?

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 18:18:22

So, I did some research on this. Aldabra & the other boats would have had to cross [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%27s_Bridge"]Adam's Bridge[/url] between India & Sri Lanka. The best quote I could find was:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">[url="http://moiashvin.blogspot.com/2007/03/mystery-ramas-bridge-or-adams-bridge.html"]The bridge is made up of a chain of shoals, and is about 30 km (apprx. 18 mi) long. Another important thing is that when it's high tide, the bridge is only about 1.2m below water level. This implies that someone can apparently walk from India to Sri Lanka at low tide. Isn't it amazing?[/url]

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So, with a 3+ meter keel, they'd never been able to transit the limestone shoals that make up Adam's bridge, even at high tide. And, if they chose to go under the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamban_Bridge"]railroad bridge[/url] between mainland India & [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rameswaram"]Rameswaram[/url] (sp?) Island, they'd still have to negotiate the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palk_strait"]Palk Strait[/url], which has charted depths of 3-30' max, so they'd stand a very good chance of running aground.

I think the VORG RC should have just let them run aground on Adam's Bridge & we wouldn't have this problem.

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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 18:44:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delliottg
 
I'm running neck & neck with my friend Chris (not in the group), and trading jibes (not gybes) about nearly everything. He noticed that Aldabra headed north between India & Sri Lanka, we think to escape the doldrums we're all currently experiencing. It ought to be interesting to see how that choice plays out.

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Guess we know how it played out now!

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 20:41:25

So, while reading through the game's documentation, I noticed that it says your boat will be on autopilot after a launch (or restart), until you first logon to change it's course. What happens if you never log on afterwards? To this end, I created another boat, Lepak on AP (if you're interested to see what happens, add it as a friend). Let's see what happens...

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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 22:45:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SailCO26
 I sailed into a hole sometime yesterday, and it took several hours of wallowing before the server would accept my tack/course change. The error was in FR(?), but I suspect some kind of server error.

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I have been hung up with that French message (looks like the le server et retarded), I found that a page refresh makes it so I can steer again.

Still trying to figure out 1100 GMT. If minus 6 in the east would that not be 5am?

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/15/2008 : 22:58:20

When it gives you the server error in French, it seems the fastest fix is to log off & back on.

The start is at 5am EST (check the "play" page on the VORG server for a countdown clock).

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 04:17:38

David, did you change course on Lepak on AP? When I got into the game this morning at 5.02 I was headed due east at 0knts in 7knt wind.

Paul

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 04:45:15

Nope, I haven't changed course on it, and won't for the entire game. If what they say is true, if you never log on, it's on AP until you do. It's currently about 4k places ahead of me, at 90 degrees into 77 degree wind, which makes no sense, but I figure all I have to do is check on it via the friends thing every once in a while.

Rita & I are headed SE-ish at about 8kn to gain some easting clear Sri Lanka and eventually head north into the bigger winds.

Right now, time for bed (after a soak in the hottub at 14 degrees outside).

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 08:45:58

Took a break for breakfast and daily planning meeting. By the time that was over I was hard aground grrrrr!
Don't know how long I was there (didn't need a passport stamp) but I lost 10,000 places in just those few minutes!

I'm taking the northern route, figuring on doldrums south of the line. So I have to hug the coast for a while.

Catch up with you guys later

paul

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 08:48:21

David, an interesting thing about AP. No track!

paul

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 09:47:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Took a break for breakfast and daily planning meeting. By the time that was over I was hard aground grrrrr!
Don't know how long I was there (didn't need a passport stamp) but I lost 10,000 places in just those few minutes!

I'm taking the northern route, figuring on doldrums south of the line. So I have to hug the coast for a while.

Catch up with you guys later

paul
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You were like a bad scotch (on the rocks) when I got up around 6ish

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 11:39:03

I can't get into the site from work and I didn't have time to check in early this morning. How bad am I getting hammered (Sanger)? From others comments I assume I'm probably aground.

Edited by - GaryB on 12/16/2008 11:40:06

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 11:52:26

Sanger, you are doing fine right now. 8knts bearing 29 deg.

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 12:37:41

Looks like a bunch of us like that northerly. Everybody's packed in too tight right now to determine exactly who.....however I can tell "who ain't"

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 12:49:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 Sanger, you are doing fine right now. 8knts bearing 29 deg.

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Thanks for the update! Hopefully I at least close to the rest of you.

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 12:55:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 Looks like a bunch of us like that northerly. Everybody's packed in too tight right now to determine exactly who.....however I can tell "who ain't"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yeah, the whole freakin fleet's SSE of us, so it looks like we're in the back of the pack. :)

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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 14:40:16

Finished my luncheon meeting & visit with most important client, 3.5 hours, made up 50,000 places

Sweet!
Turned back onto my notheastern course.

Paul

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Kendall
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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 17:36:35

Got home and checked in, wow 2217th place. But im betting on Pauls intuition. Going north.

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