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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/16/2008 : 18:52:24

All i have to say is Short Bus is gonna kick all are butts with this next shift

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 07:19:10

It's hard to be sure, but I think all of us who went north are going to improve our positions and do the happy dance.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 08:46:49

Stay north, that's my plan. Nearly got dropped back a lot at this mornings wind update. Phew!

It 'bugs' me (pun intended) that the stats don't add up!

According to my view of the stats, Avocado is a mile from me, but is actually (ok, virtually) about 20 miles north of me.
So I guess the distance is not the distance from boat to boat, but the difference in the distance of each from the finish.

Paul

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 09:14:11

N was definitely the ticket, even tho early on it showed us all at the back of the pack.

Yesterday I went L for that L shift, paid out well. However, overnight I got into that low pressure area and I'm now poking along with only a 5.9 breeze while everyone who stayed N has 11.9. Showed me ahead of the C25 crowd, but that's going to change rapidly until I get into that bigger breeze.

Starting to wonder what's going to happen to me during the approach to Singapore if I dont stay up all night to babysit this animal...

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 09:38:28

I got into the race late. Can someone tell me how you get credits to buy an autopilot, etc? I suppose you must have a limit as to how much you can buy.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 10:13:45

I think you can "buy" credits in the store. Not very expensive, and not (yet) convinced I want/need the programmer. That may change before Singapore, tho...

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 12:29:56

Vewy intwesting.... it appears that some people have determined that these boats actually perform rather well sailing directly INTO the breeze.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 13:29:04

It's been fun to watch Lepak On AP's progress. I haven't touched the boat since I created it, and it's generally at or near the top of our list of boats. I wonder if they'll sail it all the way into Singapore for me.

I think Steve (Vida Nova) has bought gizmos from the game, I don't know anyone else that has. You can purchase them right off of the interface I think.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 13:40:33

Yes I did buy the gizmos. Don't waste your money. The best I have found so far is to use the 2 red 12h & 24h indicators and be righ there when the wind changes. You also want to understand that these are wind squares and that the wind directions are changed at every 0h & 12h (use the interface clock).

I tried that "programmer" last evening and my course was supposed to change right at 4h (interface clock)...well it didn't and I was facing almost into the wind for about 3 hours this morning. Enough time to let Avocado gain much more on me and JD to pass me. So again, I think nothing beats regular logging in especially at the wind changes.

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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 15:25:09

Good stuff Steve,
Also note that it appears that the wind switches mid way from the corners of a wind square.
eg. if TopLeft(TN) is 5knts and TopRight(TR) is 10knts then mid way between is approx 7.5knts
so if you are in the midle of a wind square and you move towards TR, then you'll meet the TR wind speed.
Same appears true for other quadrants.

Clear as mud? If you examine the boats in view and see their position relative to a wind square, then look at their local wind speed, you'll see what I mean.

paul

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 20:20:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
 Good stuff Steve,
Also note that it appears that the wind switches mid way from the corners of a wind square.
eg. if TopLeft(TN) is 5knts and TopRight(TR) is 10knts then mid way between is approx 7.5knts
so if you are in the midle of a wind square and you move towards TR, then you'll meet the TR wind speed.
Same appears true for other quadrants.

paul
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somewhere I found a post on the volvo site with a guy who had the intrpolation formula but I don't think it really matters if you know where your headed you know the new direction and the up or down speed you can figure it out.

I have new questions - what is the area of a quadrant in miles i.e. x by y.

I found the polars but am having a hard time determining what close hauled is in degrees off the wind. I am assuming (yeah I know) that you can point higher in heavier breeze, but that is just a guess. Most of you are 2-3 higher than me and a bunch slower.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 20:32:44

Duane,
I think the squares are 60 miles on a side.

I'm finding that about 40 degrees off the wind on the #2 jib gives you a pretty good tradeoff between direction & speed.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/17/2008 : 23:13:05

Ditto the 60nm x 60nm squares.

Paul, not sure where you're considering the "start" of a square, but looks to me like the arrow is on the 0' lines, and extend to either 30' lines. Thus when you cross [x deg 30'], the wind will change to the new quadrant.

Now if I could just keep the server alive when I really want to make a course change (like when I finally get back home and can log on). This time I can't even get past the logon screen (got 1 update at least), so it's not a refresh issue.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 00:14:18

I cannot log on since the last hour.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 01:40:17

I was just able to log on at around 2330 PST.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 04:53:22

Glad I didnt wait around for it. Was awake this am, figured I'd check on the wind change and adjust.

Was also thinking quadrant size, actually I think it's 60nm N-S and somewhat less than that E-W, since it's really measured in degrees rather than nm. The width (E-W) of the quadrants should get smaller the farther away from the equator the boats get (assuming their layout is realistic - a lot of other things are dumbed down for this, it's possible that this is too).

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 05:47:26

Was up till midnight unable to login, so update was at 5:45 this morning.

Reading the questions here, I wondered if I could find a decent lat long based distance calc.

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~cvm/latlongdist.html

Read the instructions.
You can get the lat and long off the VOR chart, it's shown when you mouse over the map.

The standard Garbage in = Garbage out rules apply.

Paul

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 06:41:29

Updates have been consistently at 5 am est since the restart. 2300 and 1100 gmt +1

I quite staying up past midnight once I noticed this

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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 06:55:48

Duane, you are correct, I was referring to 'my' update, watched Deer Hunter last night till after midnight, still couldn't login, so my next update was at dawn.

Wind updates are at 5am & 5pm (and we can loose thousands of places if we don't catch them!)

Paul

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 06:58:26

MILBY - you need to join the catalina group if you are still playing!!!

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 07:08:46

I couldn't log on last night to make my turn when I planned, and, instead, got a header in the "arrow" and slowed to about 6kts until this morning, after losing over 6000 places. By then, I decided to change strategy and keep heading north. Except for the part about "idling" at 6 kts all night, it might work out OK. Sailing is all about coping with the unexpected and turning lemons into lemonade, so it should be a good sailing exercise anyway.

Thanks for telling us about this game!

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 07:11:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 MILBY - you need to join the catalina group if you are still playing!!!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I put some of you on my chart, but haven't figured out yet how to join the whole group.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 07:28:17

Steve, what's your boat name?

If you add Joint Decision as a friend, then go to 'My Account' and 'Friends' then you'll see I belong to our group, you can join there.

Paul

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 08:03:41

Thanks Paul. I think I have it.

My boat is Captiva Wind. We had a really good day yesterday, going from about 98000 at one time to somewhere in the very low teens, until the system locked up last night. Short Bus and I had roughly similar strategies, and were very close late last night. I think he got hurt worse than I did, because he must have been busy, and unable to check his course and speed, and, like me, he got headed in the point of the arrow for a long time, and lost a lot of time. By the time he checked it, the system locked up, and he couldn't do anything about it until this morning. It's too bad, because he was sailing a good race. But, the race isn't over. There's plenty of time to regain lost ground!

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Kendall
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Response Posted - 12/18/2008 : 08:08:40

Has anyone else been monitoring the winds at the east end of the course? If this keeps up itll be slow going the last few hundred miles into Singapore.

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