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NCBrew
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Response Posted - 12/30/2009 : 03:10:00

I know what you mean about safety. As I climb around on the boat, going up to the mast to raise the main is going to be a journey. I have just discovered the 70 year old knees don't like to make the trip.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 12/31/2009 : 09:35:10

My new boat is a 250, but you should be able to get the idea of triples and why they are recommended.

Port side

Starboard side

Port side

Starboard side

The hangers I use. No holes in boat last about 18 months outside all the time.

Example of use inside. Never change in 4 years.

Hope all this helps.

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Response Posted - 12/31/2009 : 13:21:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NCBrew
 I know what you mean about safety. As I climb around on the boat, going up to the mast to raise the main is going to be a journey. I have just discovered the 70 year old knees don't like to make the trip.

Patrick
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Just a short story.
I was out alone and the jaunty 16-20 knot winds picked up to over 25 (some said 30 that day).
With my triples (on both sides) I have the main halyard, topping lift and single reefing line together on the port side with a cabin top winch. Reefing is done from just one side of the cockpit.
A Tartan 30 with a couple was about 1/4 mile from me and we both started reefing at about the same time. I was done in about 45 seconds to a minute (yes I've timed it) and when got I back to sailing the woman (why do guys send the wife forward?) was still at the mast struggling to get the main down to the reef point.
Nothing beats being able to stay in the cockpit and with in arms length of the tiller.
It makes weather a friend instead a problem.
It's not a hard project. Drilling any holes in your boat requires care but the result with be well worth it.

BTW use blue tape over the areas you have to drill so there is less chipping by the bit.

Also, my rule is when I reef I put the PFD on and clip in.

Happy New year.

Edited by - Peregrine on 12/31/2009 15:08:43

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/31/2009 : 14:42:08

Another line I led back was a 1/4" "main dousing line" that was made to the topmost slug. It helped me get the main down the last few feet. Before hoisting the main, I needed to make sure it could run free, just as the halyard has to run free to douse the sail. I ran the dousing line back to a clutch because one was available... That was overkill since there's no load on the line--a little cam cleat with a fairlead on top would have sufficed.

If you don't have a roller furler, the same thing can be even more useful for the jib, especially in a blow when the wind keeps it from dropping and can even push it back up the forestay. (Then again, if I didn't have roller furling, I'd put it at the top of my list!)

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/31/2009 17:16:17

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Response Posted - 12/31/2009 : 18:24:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Peregrine
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Even Chance
 Still wrong, John. Repeat after me: Deck . . . plate. . . tabernacle . . . mast.

And you'd better pray for the right thing: the shrouds hold the mast up. All the tabernacle does is keep the foot in place.
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Not all set ups are the same.
In my case it is deck, tabernacle, mast plate then mast.
Not sure where the PO got the mast plate but it meant not havng to remove the tabernacle.
My mast plate is loose and is held in place just by the mast.
If there is any downside it is that the holes for the blocks are fore and aft of the mast rather than to each side. I have not found that to be a problem.

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Well, it's hard to see in the pic, but that's an interesting setup. I'd bet that's homemade hardware. What's important to this . . . discussion . . . is that you're unlikely to find a stock item like that from Catalina Direct or Defender. A plate between the tabernacle and the deck has the advantage, it seems to me, of needing to be bolted to both. I suspect yours doesn't move, but I know mine doesn't.

Edited by - Even Chance on 12/31/2009 18:25:51

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Response Posted - 01/31/2010 : 12:43:13

Well I finally did it:

I ordered the “lines to cockpit” kit and modified it. I took out the single spinlock clutches and replaced them with doubles. I also removed the double deck organizers and replaced them with Quad organizers. (did not look like the triples would fit)
I also ordered a Jib downhaul. All of this to make it safer and easier to sail. Total cost $785.70. I am glad I got a good price on the boat when I bought it.

I will post "before and after pictures" as soon as the snow melts off the boat.

Edited by - NCBrew on 01/31/2010 12:47:23

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Response Posted - 02/01/2010 : 21:18:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NCBrew
 I also removed the double deck organizers and replaced them with Quad organizers. (did not look like the triples would fit)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My triple organizers fit fine--they mount on an angle between 30 and 45 degrees from being parallel to the rails, so the lines going back are close together.

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Response Posted - 02/02/2010 : 11:47:59

Regarding main halyards and winches, I have a question. The "Emery C" doesn't have (and as far as I can tell never has had) a main halyard winch. I just point it into the wind and haul on the main halyard. It is secured by a spinlock clutch on the port side cabin roof. My question is this, are main halyard winches really that desirable? On occasion when a batten had fouled the lazyjack or a sail slug has gotten stuck, I pretty much knew about it right away because I could feel the main stop moving. I would imagine if I were cranking away on a winch, I might damage something before I realized there was a problem. Opinions?

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 02/02/2010 : 13:28:51

John,
On the C25 you can surely raise the main by hand, and should for the reasons you state. The winch is to give you that last little bit of stretch on the sail to optimize its performance and remove any scalloping that may be visible on the luff.

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Response Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:11:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by keeldad
 Regarding main halyards and winches, I have a question. The "Emery C" doesn't have (and as far as I can tell never has had) a main halyard winch. I just point it into the wind and haul on the main halyard. It is secured by a spinlock clutch on the port side cabin roof. My question is this, are main halyard winches really that desirable? On occasion when a batten had fouled the lazyjack or a sail slug has gotten stuck, I pretty much knew about it right away because I could feel the main stop moving. I would imagine if I were cranking away on a winch, I might damage something before I realized there was a problem. Opinions?
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Mine has all lines run to the cockpit and 8 winches. 2 on each side of the cabin house and 4 more in the cockpit. I raise the main by hand until I get to the last few inches where I use the winch to snug it up.

Not the best pic but you can see the winches in this pic. On port I have a winch for the spin and staysail halyard and on starboard I have a winch for the main and jib halyard. Serious over kill. I do love the traveler though.

(The PO seriously over rigged this boat but I'm cool with it.)

Edited by - PCP777 on 02/02/2010 15:22:17

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Response Posted - 02/02/2010 : 18:19:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The PO seriously over rigged this boat but I'm cool with it<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Ya Think?

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Response Posted - 02/02/2010 : 19:21:38

Wow! That's more "cans" than six-pack of Bud! I guess it helps that you don't have a pop-top, both for the winches and for the traveler.

NC--it's common to use one cabin-top winch to service two lines through two clutches that are forward of the winch--just align the right side of the drum about equally between the two clutches. I didn't have any cabin-top winches, and just one halyard led back (because of the roller furler)... I just pulled hard and then snapped the clutch.

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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 07:53:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The PO seriously over rigged this boat but I'm cool with it<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Ya Think?

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Ha! You just have "winch envy."

The 4 winches in the cockpit are pretty handy as I do fly spin occasionally.

The 4 winches on the cabin top are definitely over kill. Two would do the job just fine. I've never even used my stay sail halyard and now that I've gone to roller furling I have the spin halyard tied off so it won't interfere. If I run spin I'll use the jib halyard. Typically I'm only using the main halyard in day to day sailing.

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 08:12:00

I'm sorry, that's just . . . bizarre.

It's not winch envy -- the PO had winchofilia.

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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 09:42:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by keeldad
 Regarding main halyards and winches, I have a question. The "Emery C" doesn't have (and as far as I can tell never has had) a main halyard winch. I just point it into the wind and haul on the main halyard. It is secured by a spinlock clutch on the port side cabin roof. My question is this, are main halyard winches really that desirable? On occasion when a batten had fouled the lazyjack or a sail slug has gotten stuck, I pretty much knew about it right away because I could feel the main stop moving. I would imagine if I were cranking away on a winch, I might damage something before I realized there was a problem. Opinions?
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Mine has all lines run to the cockpit and 8 winches. 2 on each side of the cabin house and 4 more in the cockpit. I raise the main by hand until I get to the last few inches where I use the winch to snug it up.

Not the best pic but you can see the winches in this pic. On port I have a winch for the spin and staysail halyard and on starboard I have a winch for the main and jib halyard. Serious over kill. I do love the traveler though.

(The PO seriously over rigged this boat but I'm cool with it.)
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Me likey! Best rigged C25 yet! Hold onto her until I retire from bigger boats! I'll gladly pay whatever! She is a keeper!

sten

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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 10:37:11

So I'm looking at all that spaghetti trying to follow all the lines but for the life of me I can't seem to find the halyard that slides the hatch open and closed. Could you point that out for us???

(sorry but I couldn't resist)

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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 12:56:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 So I'm looking at all that spaghetti trying to follow all the lines but for the life of me I can't seem to find the halyard that slides the hatch open and closed. Could you point that out for us???

(sorry but I couldn't resist)
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It runs next to the forward hatch halyard.

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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 15:48:14

(sorry but I couldn't resist)
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It runs next to the forward hatch halyard.
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Which is next to the porta-potti lid halyard.

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Response Posted - 02/03/2010 : 17:31:35

...and that one is next to the halyard snap shackle release halyard...

Edited by - Unsinkable2 on 02/03/2010 17:35:03

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Response Posted - 02/04/2010 : 08:35:59

Does anyone have advise on how to run the mail halyard back the cockpit WITHOUT adding a new Mast Plate? I really don't want to drop my mast.....

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/04/2010 : 08:55:24

You guys made me laugh this morning. Out loud.

One thing I did during the recent bottom job is install a new mast plate, now I have all sorts of options for block placement.

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Response Posted - 02/04/2010 : 10:07:31

Tod, you could probably do it by just adding a bail to the mast somewhere near its base. I added a bail for my boom vang block, which doesn't require a mast step. Then you could put a block on the bail to turn the halyard back towards the cockpit.

However, dropping the mast on a c25 isn't that hard. I see you have a tall rig, so yours weighs a little more than my standard. However, I am able to drop it myself (although its much safer and easier with a helper).

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Response Posted - 02/04/2010 : 11:02:59

Unsinkable, pardon a poor deckhand question, but what is a "bail." A strap of some sort around the base of the mast?

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Response Posted - 02/04/2010 : 13:45:57

Tod: see the semi-circular piece of metal attached to my boom, to which my mainsheet block is attached? That's a bail.

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Response Posted - 04/12/2011 : 05:23:14

Upgrading my halyards but I'm not sure with the orientation of the mast plate vs. mast step

In the left is the bow of the boat:

...or should I move the mast step to the first holes on the left?
What if I use it as on the picture above and bend the left piece up for the spinnaker pole halyards?

Btw: my '78 mast step has totally different holes than the mast plate from CD

thanks

Edited by - Tomas Kruska on 04/12/2011 05:29:09

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