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Shorter sail for the C25 tall rig

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OJ
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Initially Posted - 09/21/2010 : 16:42:09

Has anyone gone to a short main sail on a tall rig in order to make room for a (comfortable height) bimini?

I read here somewhere that a Capri 25 main sail (which is 2' shorter) might be a good option?

Thoughts? Experiences?

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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 17:27:17

I haven't but thre have been discussions in the past. Use trhe Search feature above to find the posts.

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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 18:26:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 I haven't but thre have been discussions in the past. Use trhe Search feature above to find the posts.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Ahhh, Gary . . . I see you have an 89 standard rig with a bimini

. Perhaps you'd share the distance between your boom and your deck. I can use that as a baseline.

Trade ya for some additional polishing tips!

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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 18:58:36

Doesn't the '89 have a fixed gooseneck? How much higher can you mount it and still have it below the gate for the slugs?

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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 19:17:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Doesn't the '89 have a fixed gooseneck? How much higher can you mount it and still have it below the gate for the slugs?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I know the tall rig does - but you can opt for a sliding gooseneck that inserts into mast slot - so the gate becomes a non-issue.

I just ordered one from CD:

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=292&ParentCat=149

Figure I'll plug the screw holes from the fixed gooseneck with stainless steel rivets.

Excellent observation there Dave - as usual!

Edited by - OJ on 09/21/2010 19:19:28

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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 19:18:52

OJ - I'm really hoping to get down to the boat this weekend and will try to remember to measure for you.

Dave - Yes, the '89 does have a fixed gooseneck. I've never noticed where it's mounted in relation to the gate. I'll check that out this weekend too.

I've been toying with the idea of taking photos of all important areas of the boat to have an archive to fall back on when someone asks a question.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 05:35:58

The tall rig main is 3 feet longer than a standard rig main, and the Capri 25 main is about a foot shorter than the tall rig main. Fully hoisted, my tall rig main puts the boom just below the mast gate, where it should be. Fully hoisted on a tall rig mast, the Capri 25 main will raise the boom several inches above the gate.
We use the bimini from our C-22 with the tall rig main and yes, headroom is somewhat limited. Beats spending funds on a second bimini and mainsail. fortunately, we are not very tall.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 05:38:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 OJ - I'm really hoping to get down to the boat this weekend and will try to remember to measure for you.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks Dave and there's no rush. We're just beginning to research this and won't make the purchase 'til November, December. Since we both own 89s I thought yours would be a good boat to get a measurement from - in the unlikely event there's any difference from pre 89s.

From one of the center of gooseneck screws (I know, I'm being way too exact) to the deck surface or mast step plate would be ideal.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 05:47:40

I'll be going to the boat either today or tomorrow to put some cam cleats on the coaming OJ and can get that measurement for you.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 06:35:20

Look at my article in the Tech Tips. Click on the bimini.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 09:48:07

I had a sail maker reduce the main sail so I could install a bimini on my tall rig. The boom was raised (this model has an adjustable gooseneck) and I can now sail with the bimini up and can almost stand upright under it (I am 6'). According to the sailmaker I only lost about 7 sq ft of sail area and have noticed no difference in sailing ability.
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 12:11:42

OJ, the center of the gooseneck is 36" off the deck. And that would be right where #13 points

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 13:27:36

OJ,
I have a full batton main for a standard rig. I lost your email. send me an email to c zofchak at sbc global dot net. No spaces.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 19:16:43

Chris, I am in the market for a main sail if your selling.

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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 19:55:18

At full hoist, a standard main on a tall mast will put the boom two feet higher than it is on the standard rig boat. That's pretty high... (like about 8' above the cockpit sole.)

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 06:23:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 At full hoist, a standard main on a tall mast will put the boom two feet higher than it is on the standard rig boat. That's pretty high... (like about 8' above the cockpit sole.)
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Exactly, my goal is to position the boom in same place as a standard rig and have a main sail made-to-fit. The sliding gooseneck will give me wiggle room also.

BTW, we passed a standard rig the other day. I could hear his winches turning as he tried to match our sail shapes. I don't think he realized we were a tall rig . . . hehe

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 06:25:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by B.Jones
 . . . I had a sail maker reduce the main sail so I could install a bimini on my tall rig. The boom was raised (this model has an adjustable gooseneck) and I can now sail with the bimini up and can almost stand upright under it . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Perfect, thanks Bruce.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 06:28:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DaveR
 . . . OJ, the center of the gooseneck is 36" off the deck . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks for the timely information Dave! Very kind of you.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 14:51:24

The standard rig boom is 1' higher (at full hoist) so the luff length is 3' shorter. If the Capri 25 luff is 2' shorter, that gives you the 1' lift. Make sure that doesn't put the gooseneck right at the level of the mast gate when the luff is tensioned, and if you use a sliding gooseneck that will ride above the gate, make sure you have something that will securely keep it there. You don't want the boom suddenly flying free as you're reefing or dropping the main. Would mast gate plates be sufficient to contain it? I dunno...

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 16:28:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 The standard rig boom is 1' higher (at full hoist) so the luff length is 3' shorter. If the Capri 25 luff is 2' shorter, that gives you the 1' lift. Make sure that doesn't put the gooseneck right at the level of the mast gate when the luff is tensioned, and if you use a sliding gooseneck that will ride above the gate, make sure you have something that will securely keep it there. You don't want the boom suddenly flying free as you're reefing or dropping the main. Would mast gate plates be sufficient to contain it? I dunno...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Nice to know some is looking out for me! Not sure if you've seen the mast gate on a tall rig - but it is quite different from the standard rig. It is only about 1.5" tall and the cut out is only on one side. Because of this you have to insert the sliding goose neck from the bottom of the mast (before raising the mast of course.) Right now the fixed gooseneck is only about 6" below the gate. I feel confident I'll end up above the gate. Guess I won't get to use the nifty ss gates I purchased several years ago for the other boat. I should list them on the Swap Meet.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 20:28:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 Nice to know some is looking out for me!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's what curmudgeons do (sorta)

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Not sure if you've seen the mast gate on a tall rig - but it is quite different from the standard rig. It is only about 1.5" tall and the cut out is only on one side. Because of this you have to insert the sliding goose neck from the bottom of the mast (before raising the mast of course.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I suspect that relates to the fixed gooseneck--maybe not the tall rig. I presume there's some other simple way to remove the boom with the fixed gooseneck, and there's no need for a larger gate. But your plan (sliding the gooseneck in from the bottom) could make it difficult to, for example, remove the boom in preparation for a hurricane or to store the boat mast-up.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 21:07:51

It's easy to remove the boom when you have a fixed gooseneck. Pull one cotter pin, pull the clevis pin on the gooseneck and it comes free. Just don't drop the gooseneck slide clip. Here's a better view -->>

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=459&ParentCat=149

Edited by - GaryB on 09/23/2010 21:13:36

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Response Posted - 09/24/2010 : 05:23:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Nice to know some is looking out for me! Not sure if you've seen the mast gate on a tall rig - but it is quite different from the standard rig. It is only about 1.5" tall and the cut out is only on one side. Because of this you have to insert the sliding goose neck from the bottom of the mast (before raising the mast of course.)
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

That's not the case on my 1985 TR: the cut out is on both sides of the kerf.

Edited by - Even Chance on 09/24/2010 05:24:30

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/24/2010 : 08:05:17

We also have a standard gate on our tall rig mast.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2010 : 09:08:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 It's easy to remove the boom when you have a fixed gooseneck. Pull one cotter pin, pull the clevis pin on the gooseneck and it comes free.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Exactly Gary - fixed or sliding actually, there's still a pin that slides through the boom side of the gooseneck.

Time for some pix!

Thanks to all who have contributed here! Yet more evidence of why this is such a great and valuable site! I'm quite certain that it is - but I hope if the hard drive on the server ever crashes - all this info is backed up somewhere!

Edited by - OJ on 09/24/2010 09:12:15

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Response Posted - 10/03/2010 : 19:32:04

Well, I estimated wrong. As you can see below the gooseneck is only about 1 1/2" below the gate - which will give me plenty of room to install the shorter sail, resulting in the sliding gooseneck sitting well above the gate.

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