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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 15:59:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Jim, looking at that S2 (I wasn't familiar with it), it seems like a good alternative.
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. . . and a way different boat . . .

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 17:41:23

My wife also has problems with motion sickness, but she sleeps better on the boat than anywhere. I haven't been on a C-22, but there was substantial difference in handling between my Clipper-21 and my C-25. The 21 was great for 2 adults and 2 pre-schoolers on deck and in the cockpit; more than 2 in the cabin was crowded

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 18:02:44

OJ, I agree. Very different from many perspectives.

Dave, thanks for the feedback about motion sickness. I will pass it along.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 18:40:53

As I mentioned, we're still finding the "use case" for a/the boat. One thing that has always been an option was to find. 15/16 with a small cabin (need a place for kids to hide from the sun and nap) that we could keep at the local lake and then trailer to the back bays of the NJ shore. I found a Diller Schwill 16 in Maryland recently that seemed, at least on paper, to be a good cross between features, size, and price to meet that "use case". I was all set to go see her a few weeks ago when Irene came. The seller begged off my visit so he could prepare, and I was happy to oblige. I followed up with him a few days later, not wanting to pester given the extent of damage that I'd seen reported in his area. He didn't reply. I followed up a few more times, and he still didn't reply. In the interim, I joined a DS 16 mailing list, and I have just learned why he didn't reply - he sold the boat out from under me.

Having just missed the opportunity on a boat that fit nicely into one of our use cases, I am now very wary of missing out on another opportunity. So, I found someone who will sell me a dual axle trailer capable of hauling the S2 (and up to a 25) at a reasonable price, and I made an offer to the seller of the S2. I am now waiting for their response. If it falls through, I may be back to solicit more feedback from y'all! Regardless, I SINCERELY appreciate the feedback and guidance everyone has given me! This is a great forum, and a fantastic resource. I wish something like this existed for S2 6.8 owners! I've seen the S2owmers.com site, but most of the discussions there center on the 8 and 11 meter boats. Oh well, I will survive! Thank you all again very much!

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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 19:20:10

Oh, one note for StinkPotter - I called my insurance agent. Given the VERY low cost/"replacement value" of the S2, I don't NEED a survey. Whether one is still warranted/wise is another story completely, but it isn't necessary.

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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 19:21:51

I'm afraid "something like this" doesn't exist for any other boats!

But Trailsailor.com is always a lively and sometimes useful forum.

Best of luck--let us know how it comes out.

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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 19:25:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Jim, looking at that S2 (I wasn't familiar with it), it seems like a good alternative.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">. . . and a way different boat . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I agree--and I was speculating that a different boat just might be better for his needs as he's partially described them.

Jim: I'll add an opinion that when your interests and needs are somewhat uncertain and "moving up" is a likely interest, the popularity of a boat in your area is an important criterion. I've prioritized that for each of my past boats, and it has resulted in very quick sales at good prices--in one case after 21 years of ownership. That's why I mentioned the C-22, which might be better known--I suspect it is in most places. It's also well supported by third-party suppliers like [url="http://catalinadirect.com/"]Catalina Direct[/url], and has a strong national association including racing fleets around the country. Just one more consideration...

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 19:34:50

Stinkpotter - sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your questions! I didn't see them on the previous page. I grew up on power boats. Haven't been on one since I was in my late teens (roughly half my life ago - wow!) when my step-dad sold his boat, but we were on the 23' Grady White cuddy and 27' Tiarra most weekends during the summer. I took sailing lessons a long time ago in the BVI's. Learned to sail on a J19, and actually single-handed one down there as a teen. I didn't do much sailing since then, unless you count going for the occasional ride while others handled everything. Last year, my wife and I took sailing lessons at the local lake, and I fell back in love with boating and sailing. My wife enjoyed it too, but she was happier being a passenger than being captain (on a 14', there isn't much call for being 'crew'). We've gone out quite a few times now on the lake, but the rental hours leave a lot to be desired. The winds at the lake tend to pick up in the evenings, and they stop renting at 5:30, and all boats must be in by 6:30. It's a good 45-60 minutes (with traffic) to the lake during the week and I have a "professional" job, so leaving early can be difficult. Thus, it has been incredibly tough to get over to the lake before the boat rental closes this year, and that has been motivating me to find a boat. Plus, the lack of a potty on board the rentals, the cramped quarters, and the lack of a cabin have made the idea of going out on the rental boats with our family somewhat less than desirable, and the goal is to have a positive, happy experience, not turn everyone off from sailing. So, again, my thoughts turned to actually acquiring a boat of our own, and being able to sail according to our own time table (modified according to the conditions, local rules, etc., of course).

Do I/we have a lot of experience? No. However, I feel confident that we will be OK if we have a reasonably sized, comfortable boat with a propulsion means (engine/motor). I'm also realistic enough to know that I'll be doing a fair amount of single-handed sailing for a while to get the feel of the boat and become more competent and confident in her before my kids will be on board.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 19:40:52

Dave, you gotta stop posting in between my posts - it's hard to keep up! LOL

The suggestion regarding going with a popular brand is a good one, and certainly something I'll keep in mind if the offer on the S2 falls through!

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Response Posted - 09/07/2011 : 19:40:58

Jim, you clearly are ready--you understand how to use the wind. I have a feeling you'll be happier for now in the smaller boat that you can single-hand comfortably, and that gives you options on where and how you keep and use her. Most of us have done that and moved up, and many are still moving up! Make her nicer than you found her, and some day you'll sell her for what you paid.

Life's a journey...

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/08/2011 : 19:12:30

Jim,

From what you've described above the Catalina C22 is the boat that best fits your initial intentions. It's relatively easy to trailer sail, doesn't require a large vehicle to tow it, will "comfortably" sleep you and the kids (might be tight with another adult), is easy to single hand, and a nice one with trailer could probably be purchased in your budget or a little above.

Check out Chip Ford's C22 website -->> http://www.chipford.com/index.htm. It's loaded with information on maintaining a C22 and the associated costs. He goes into detail on some of his maintenance and upgrade projects and includes photos of the work done.

He also makes a yearly single handed trip up and/or down the East coast from Marblehead, MA which he documents with written word and photos. Some as long as 10 days.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do and check in with us to let us know how which way you decided to go.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/09/2011 : 07:46:13

The C22 is a great first boat (okay I'm just a little biased - owned ours for 34 years now), and it will easily sleep one adult and 2 kids. Trailers easily with a V-6 powered car (most in my circle use Pathfinder, Trailblazer, Trooper, Jeep, and various P/U trucks). Lots available with over 15,000 built and a good aftermarket parts supply when needed. Also, an active national association.

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Response Posted - 09/09/2011 : 11:58:55

Jim, I live in OC NJ. Does this boat have a grey hull? The one I'm thinking about had the bow beat up a few years ago during a storm. I don't know where it is now but 2 years ago it was on a trailer in OC and I believe I saw it this spring in a storage area at a marina on the mainland. I'm certainly no expert but I have bought my share of "fixer-upper" boats over the years and personally I would walk away from this boat. If for no other reason than it's an ugly boat. For some strange reason, someone painted the hull some sort of bluish grey and did a pretty poor job of it, and this was before the bow damage. If you want to keep the Admiral happy, find a pretty boat and offer to name it after her. It worked for me.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/09/2011 : 12:02:00

John,
This one is a medium to dark blue hull, and is in the water over near the OC airport. The owner says he keeps her in the water year round.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 09/10/2011 : 20:29:56

Is that a painted boat?

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/10/2011 : 20:38:14

Frank, I can't tell for sure. If it is, they did a nice job with the paint. I could see where it had either been scuffed or bumped the dock, but it wasn't bad.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/10/2011 : 20:43:22

Here's the listing for the boat: http://southjersey.craigslist.org/boa/2591371855.html

The bright spot in the picture is actually a reflection.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 06:13:14

Looks like it could be an awesome deal.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 07:19:33

Yeah...even if it needs some work, that's a screaming deal....jump all over that one.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 07:28:22

I was tempted to, but the conversation here has swayed my wife against the boat. So, I have moved on.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 08:02:13

So the picture in the listing is from before the bow damage was done? If so, I'd say the listing is woefully "out of date."

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 08:57:41

It's there, just hard to see. If you look at the picture I posted in the original thread, the footing isn't very high off the deck. It wasn't even that obvious (until I saw it) when I was walking up to the boat.

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keeldad
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 13:36:49

Jim,

I was going to try and take a quick look at this boat over the weekend because when you mentioned that it was on a lagoon near the airport, I thought it was another c25 that is kept further up the lagoon from where I keep mine. That one seemed to be in pretty good shape although I've never been on board, just from seeing her pass by. I got held up and didn't get down to that end of town this weekend and I guess it was a good thing because because judging from the Craigslist pics it's a different boat and lagoon. Mine is kept behind a house on Waterway Road (south of the airport) From the looks of the pics this boat is on one of the lagoons north of the airport.
Not a bad looking boat from the picture. If you are still inclined, I would take a look at it with you but it sounds like you might have changed your plans.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 13:52:32

John,
I appreciate that! But yes, it has been suggested that I move on (unless I don't want our boys to go onboard!). So, despite the great price, I'm heeding the suggestion. I'd still love your feedback on her, compared to my impression. Like I said, I think the boat is decent. Nothing spectacular, but at $1200 plus some elbow grease (and fiberglass, plywood, paint, and some repairs to the main), it seemed like a fair deal. Would I prefer to have had one with a nicer cabin, without a hole in the bow, and without the ripped main? Yes. But it really didn't seem like the repair would be THAT difficult, at least it wouldn't be if I had a house there or the ability to work on her with power tools at a yard/marina.

The boat is north of the airport, right of Tennessee in the South Harbor.

Not to change the subject, but since you're right there, do you have any marina recommendations for if/when I get a boat? My parents used to keep their boat at All Seasons in Marmora. That place seems to have lost some of its lustre over the years, but the rates also don't seem TOO unreasonable. I'd REALLY love to find an unused slip/dock at someone's home, either in OC or Avalon (my in-laws are a block off the bay in Avalon, and my kids can't go a weekend at the shore without a trip to OC anyway!), but I'm not sure how to go about the process of finding an unused slip.

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keeldad
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Response Posted - 09/13/2011 : 09:35:09

All Seasons is basically across the channel and a little south of where I keep the Emery C. I haven't been there since they closed the ship's store but it seems like they are putting some work into it because I see that they put in a new breakwater last year. With the new RT 54 causeway scheduled to be in full operation next season, I would look for slips anywhere from All Seasons north to 9th St.. The 34th St. bridge is too low for a standard rig c25 so unless you lower the mast, you won't be sailing a c25 or similar rig south out of All Seasons. I don't know why you would want to anyway because it's nothing but narrow channels that way.

Part of the deal when wanted to buy another (additional) boat (I also own a Mako 22), was that I needed to find a place to keep it before I closed the deal. This was in March a few years ago and I ended up frantically checking Craigslist,classifieds,and visiting established marinas. What I ended up doing was driving down the roads that had houses with slips in areas where I wanted to keep the boat. Many times you'll see a sign of "Boat slip for rent" on these properties in the spring. I found one and struck a deal with a very nice lady for a very reasonable price. I treat her well and make sure the fee is paid promptly. My dream would be to have a slip in the north end lagoon because I could walk to the boat from my house but $3,600 annual slip fees is a little too rich for my blood. Also, if you put your boat anywhere on the bay north of 9th St. it will get beat up from the wakes of the kind, considerate boaters transiting through the "no wake" zone in that area. If you're looking for Great Egg Harbor Bay and Ocean access, I recommend any of the lagoons between 34th st and 9th st or perhaps Bay Ave. in Somers Point.

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