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binky
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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 20:24:24

Wasn't able to get to the boat due to high tides still over the piers however I was able to see it from the parking lot. It appears to be unscathed, at least from my vantage point. I will know for sure tomorrow.

I hope everyone makes it through this storm safely.

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Response Posted - 10/29/2012 : 20:35:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Voyager
 Dave - I'm wondering how things went at high tide at Mystic?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'm far away from there right now, but I talked to some neighbors in my condo complex, and judging from how close the water was to some of our buildings at high tide (~9:15 pm), the surge was probably around 10'. Hopefully the water dropped a little over night and won't be higher tomorrow at around 9:50 (next high). What I don't know if whether out docks floated off the pilings--I'm thinking at least parts of them did--it could be a mess.

But I appreciate Pat Duffy's perspective--if all I have to worry about is my waterside home getting some water in its basement, or my "yacht" getting messed up, while I'm sitting comfortably in Colorado with insurance on all of that, how bad do I have it?? A whole lot of others, including in Haiti, Jamaica, and the Bahamas, have it a lot worse!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/29/2012 20:36:40

vipermagic
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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 06:55:54

I'm sad to report the loss of C25 #1433, Carina.

Her haulout was scheduled for October 3, but problems with the marina's life equipment prevented that, and she was destroyed in storm last night. First a 42 foot sailboat broke loose and tore the stern pulpit and rudder off, then the dock she was tied to broke up and sank. She made her way over to the fuel dock where she's been bashing ever since.

I'm just hoping she stays afloat so I can get the sails and some personal effects off.

My dock:

Edited by - vipermagic on 10/30/2012 06:57:32

PCP777
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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 07:14:35

So sorry for your loss, that sucks.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 07:37:46

Viper... I'm very sorry to hear of your loss and hoping you find your way through this trauma... I'll say a prayer for your insurance agent!

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 11:01:16

Sorry for your loss. Where was your boat located. Sunday I was down to Sandusky Bay and it was getting very rough. Losts of boats still in. Don't know how they fared.

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binky
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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 11:58:20

Sorry for your loss.

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 12:44:49

Viper - I'm very sorry for your loss.

I am feeling very fortunate right now. I was able to make my way down to my boat and she is still in her slip where I left her. The water level is VERY high, but is looks like my boat is going to be OK.

Spoke to someone who was at my marina last night and they indicated that the water level had reached to the top of the guardrail pictured in the background.

While there was not massive damage on the land side of the Barnegat Bay, it appeared that there was almost no power east of the Garden St. Parkway.

Edited by - pfduffy on 10/30/2012 13:15:15

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 12:59:42

Oh - and my favorite bit of storm prep that I witnessed:

This guy decided to deploy his anchor. He dragged it 100' across the boat yard and dropped it into the back of an unoccupied slip.

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 15:53:11

thanks for the kind words, everyone. The boat was at Edgewater marina, in Cleveland OH. She was tied very securely to the dock, but there isnt a lot to be done when the dock gives way. Two docks were destroyed, at least 10 boats have sunk, probably twice that are smashed. A 40 foot sea ray is missing and presumed sunk, theres no way it could have gotten out of the marina.

There were 10 foot waves INSIDE the marina last night. Two holes punched in the breakwater.

If anyone knows of a boat for sale, I happen to know a guy in the market

Edited by - vipermagic on 10/30/2012 15:58:06

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 16:12:04

Wow! It's a testament to the C-25 that yours is still floating--although it is an ugly mess!

I hope your insurance makes you whole (or adequately so), and that Carina II is even better! Life goes on...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/30/2012 16:12:55

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 16:14:38

Vipermagic
I regret that you suffered the loss of your boat - I hope you can get her restored or replaced soon.

It was touch and go last night prior to high tide - the storm surge was on a rapid increase and things looked really bad. But then - suddenly - 1.5 hours before high tide - the surge started slacking off dramatically. I assume it was because the hurricane-force winds switched direction from dead east directly into LI Sound to southeast and south.

Here's the link: [url="http://www.co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/data_menu.shtml?stn=8465705 New Haven, CT&type=Tide Data"]New Haven Tide[/url] The blue line shows astronomical tides, the red is the actual tide and the green is the difference. You'll notice that the surge literally began to ebb even before high tide at 10/30/12 at 00:00 UT. If it had not, we would have exceeded the tops of the pilings at high tide.

I went to the dock this AM and found everything intact and no worse for the wear. The signs were evident of how close we got last night, however:

Top of the dock piling

About 18" to go at high tide

We did have a few casualties in the harbor

This sailboat had later been towed back out into the harbor during the next high tide cycle. Luckily there was still a slight storm surge left, otherwise they would have stayed high and dry for a long time.

The powerboat in the background also was towed away and put back in the harbor.

I talked to the Coast Guard patrol who were camped out at our marina. They said they received a few calls during the storm, and dealt with them as always. I thanked them for their service. We owe them a debt of gratitude.

Imagine - two 100 year storms within 365 days of one-another! And three in two years. Something's definitely going on here...

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 16:15:41

Damn viper, that is just sad. So were you able to get your stuff off?

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 16:27:10

My condolences on the loss of your boat.

It is difficult to comprehend that a coastal storm could be big enough to destroy boats on Lake Erie.

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 19:08:59

I haven't been able to get anything off of my boat yet- marina staff, ohio dept of natural resources (who actually own the marina), and USCG were buzzing around all day today, threatening to arrest anybody trying to get out on the docks. My boat is up on shore, but I didn't want to risk a new pair of bracelets for some foulies and a toolbox.

Cleveland saw 22 foot waves last night, the marina surged over 5 feet. The fixed docks went from being largely exposed to almost flooded to destroyed. Waves were flowing over the breakwall like they weren't even there. I wish I could have gotten some video of it. No one there had seen anything like it- even the guy whose had the same slip at this marina for 28 years. The breakwall has 2 or 3 holes in it now, and as of sunset there are still waves breaking over the non-breached spots.

For anyone who's curious, my boat was docked here https://maps.google.com/maps?q=41.492847,-81.729297&num=1&t=h&z=20 (though that is not my boat in the photo) at the very end of the north side. The dock broke up about 1/2 way down, I wound up just to the east of the travel lift dock, just south of where I started. At this point, the dock has chewed up most of my foredeck, up to the hatch.

An album of pictures I took at the marina can be found at http://imgur.com/a/vwUNU . They're a lot better than the previous ones, no rain to stick all over my camera lens. Note the sunken powerboat in the top right of http://i.imgur.com/3xKbUh.jpg

I had the same thought, Dave. I can't believe she's still afloat after the pounding she took. And to think I was worried about a little scrape on a rock! If the transom hits the dock behind her much longer, though, I think she'll start to fill and sink. The dumpster is exposed to weather at this point, and theres a gash down the transom to within a few inches of the waterline.

Thanks again for your kinds words and condolences. I've only had this boat for a total of 54 weeks, and I'm sad to see her go like this. Thankfully- and unlike an absolutely shocking number of my marina-mates- I was insured. I kind of fell in love with the C25, and I'll be trying pretty hard to get another one (and keep it together this time!).

Does anyone know how BoatUS handles things like sails and life jackets and etc aboard a totaled vessel? I'm not insured for any personal effects like tools and clothing or anything so I'm sure going to be removing that... but 'boating equipment' is insured, though I'd sure like to keep my drifter and #3, as they were in pretty nice shape, along with my brand new sheets and life jackets.

Edited by - vipermagic on 10/30/2012 19:21:59

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 19:39:39

I don't know the number, but it was recently reported that as the storm made landfall in NJ, after it had collided with the cold front coming in from the midwest, the barometric pressure in the center was the lowest ever recorded for a storm in the northern hemisphere. That might give us an idea of why the destruction is so widespread (VA to OH and up into NY) and why, for example, NYC is such a mess. It wasn't a classical cat-5 hurricane, but it became the worst nor'easter in recorded history.

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 19:57:21

Lowest number I heard was I believe 940 or 943. The Weather Channel mentioned an hour or so ago that the pressure was still in the 980's which is a number you would see in a Cat 2 or 3 hurricane.

When Ike came through my boat was in a marina which had the eye pass right over it. Several people I work with live right in the same area and had almost no damage to there homes. Power was back on with in a day.

I live 35 miles West of the boat and we lost an 8' X 10' section of shingles and had water damage in the house. We were without power for almost 10 days.

Seems like a lot of times the worst damage is far away from the center.

Edited by - GaryB on 10/30/2012 20:00:57

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Response Posted - 10/30/2012 : 20:24:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 Lowest number I heard was I believe 940 or 943. The Weather Channel mentioned an hour or so ago that the pressure was still in the 980's which is a number you would see in a Cat 2 or 3 hurricane...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...and that's at around the PA-NY state line, where the storm is centered about 300 miles from the coast and is now about 1000 miles wide (Lake Michigan to Nova Scotia).

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/30/2012 20:31:56

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Response Posted - 10/31/2012 : 09:57:43

Wow.....sorry Viper......at least YOU and YOURS are safe. You can get another boat. Small comfort, I know....

Some of the pictures I'm seeing of the devastation are startling......

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Response Posted - 10/31/2012 : 10:34:24

The more pictures of devastation that I am seeing, the more I can't believe my boat made it. As the crow files, my boat is about 7 miles from Seaside Heights, NJ which appears to have effectively been destroyed. Very sad.

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Response Posted - 10/31/2012 : 13:45:54

Anybody heard from Scott "Islander"? Sounded like the surge was headed his way on Monday night. Northport/Huntington Bay got hit with a bigger surge than Milford since it is further west or "down the funnel" on Long Island Sound.
The local radio reported that 90% of homes on Long Island were without power on Tues so I'd assume that he had more pressing issues of heat, water, food, gas…

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Response Posted - 11/01/2012 : 12:24:17

A lot of damage in SW Connecticut especially at yards/clubs that had relatively low bulkheads/parking/storage areas. My little club in Rowayton found virtually all (over 40) boats picked up and strewn across a road in various people's front lawns. East Norwalk, with higher ground, had minimal problems. South Norwalk with lower bulkheads much more. Three years ago I moved my winter storage to higher ground -- and that this week has proven to be a great move.

Having spent many a summer vacation on Long Beach Island in NJ I have been shocked at the pics showing the damage and beach shifting/erossion. My thoghts and prayers to all those along the Jersey Shorea nd in central New Jersey. This was a big storm that impacted so many!

Edited by - bigelowp on 11/01/2012 12:24:49

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Response Posted - 11/01/2012 : 14:13:10

Viper, I was insured with BoaUS when I lost my Cal 36 to IVAN in 2004. They told me I could take my personal items off but that's all. Since the boat was totalled I called BS on that and took off everything I wanted. As a side note, I replaced the Cal with my C-250 and BoatUS would not insure it because I had made a claim within the past 3 years. Say what? I'm still a member of BoatUS but insured with USAA.

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Response Posted - 11/01/2012 : 19:46:48

So sorry for your loss, Viper. That truly sucks. Hope your insurance company comes through for you.

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Response Posted - 11/02/2012 : 07:07:10

Hey Viper that sucks about your boat. We were already out of the water when the storm blew through, and apart from about an inch of water in the low corner by the galley, we suffered no damage. We did go to the marina to secure the boat to its trailer at teh worst of the storm, and I was surprised to have about 4 guys walk over to lend a hand. I sent them all back to the clubhouse - no need to risk extra people out there (our boat was trailered in under a tree and if it came down...)

If you are able to get the sheet leads off your boat I know a guy who needs a pair. I might need cushions too.

Edited by - Prospector on 11/02/2012 07:07:38

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