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shnool
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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 19:35:00

Just in good fun... No worries.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 20:30:49

Moderator: Go easy on him--I'm over it.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 21:12:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 I still say I hope Mac sticks to it, and finds a market. Regardless of their history, I'd hate to see them lose market to, gulp, motorboats. Wait that might be political... sorry.
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That's not political. It's just boat talk. It's ok to disagree when talking about boats. When two or more people disagree about boat stuff, we get the benefit of hearing different points of view on the question. Just leave opinions on political issues (Republican vs. Democrat, Liberal vs. Conservative, Left vs. Right, etc.) and religion at the door, just like our moms and dads taught us to do in polite society. There's no need to be shy about expressing opinions about boats.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 01/31/2013 : 13:52:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 I still say I hope Mac sticks to it, and finds a market. Regardless of their history, I'd hate to see them lose market to, gulp, motorboats. Wait that might be political... sorry.
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That's not political. It's just boat talk. It's ok to disagree when talking about boats. When two or more people disagree about boat stuff, we get the benefit of hearing different points of view on the question. There's no need to be shy about expressing opinions about boats.

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I'll remember that and save it for the next time I get chastised for my disdain for bleach bottles, boats sans bulkheads, boats w/ 75 horse outboards, and those sans backstays...

Sten

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 01/31/2013 : 15:20:42

I don't think many things are a matter of opinion, rather instead things are a matter of compromise and individuals are willing to make compromises based on their own "point of view". Could I own a new Mac... no. The Tartan 28 at my club is a nicer boat than either of my Catalinas but I can be happy with a Catalina because of my personal situation, or "point of view", (perspective). Macs are amazing trailer sailers because they are so much larger than most existing trailer sailers so they hit a sweet spot for some people.
As for guns, I don't currently have any and so am intrigued by the photo. Where on the HD gun does the HDMI cable plug in?

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shnool
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Response Posted - 01/31/2013 : 19:26:19

I will have to remove the picture and post some dog pictures or something... Yeah, I think gun dealers have an entertaining list of "editions" for their wares... Like selling a Catalina 25 with yellow sails, and calling it a special edition (and limited production)... Or make one with more teak, and charge twice as much. Neah, both of those would provide more than just cosmetics.

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Response Posted - 01/31/2013 : 19:52:48

Dave B . . . your second post on 1/29 is spot on, can we get back to discussing the merits and loss of MacGregor/Venture.

IMHO with so many hulls sold and such a loyal following they had to have done something right!

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Response Posted - 02/02/2013 : 00:51:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 Dave B . . . your second post on 1/29 is spot on, can we get back to discussing the merits and loss of MacGregor/Venture.

IMHO with so many hulls sold and such a loyal following they had to have done something right!
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Yes, and what he did right was a good use of space design. A bathtub with a stick and a couple of hankies would sail about as good. But I am a sailor. My '73 C&C 39 sleeps 7, but no cabins, no vberth, nothing but a double berth aft to port for a "honeymoon suite." As my former first mate put it after 4 years of cruising, " You really have to like each other." We did, it's those damn docks that did us in.

Anyway, my point is, a sailboat needs to sail well. Anything else is just a tub. My boat has seen 11.5 knots, doesn't need a reef until 25, and has been around twice with the PO, and thousands of miles under my command. Any questions?

I detest anything not seaworthy unless you are on a landlocked pond.

Sten

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/02/2013 : 08:39:26

You double-click when you get excited, Sten...

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/02/2013 : 19:27:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 You double-click when you get excited, Sten...

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That happens when I use my Droid to post and hit the back button... Annoying...

Sten

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 06:15:46

Ok, I have to admit that the Mac in this thread looks cool with a bowsprit and spin furler?

http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17076

Sten

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redeye
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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 06:53:07

..... Looks like a mast on a lobsterboat to me. Just look at that deadrise. And those weird double black wraparound windows.

Worse than a bleach bottle...

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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 07:36:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Ok, I have to admit that the Mac in this thread looks cool with a bowsprit and spin furler?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...three headsail furlers (jib, drifter and spin?). (It's hard to imagine a spinnaker, even an asym, rolling up very well.) That also looks like a very non-standard mast--taller with double spreaders. Better report him to the PHRF committee, quick! (I wonder if he has dual ballast tanks with a pump!)

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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 10:41:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 ..... Looks like a mast on a lobsterboat to me. Just look at that deadrise. And those weird double black wraparound windows...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's severely dissing lobster boats!

(...and we can't see the deadrise when she's in the water. Do you mean the sheer?)

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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 11:08:57

And I thought the deadrise was the sheer..... See how much I learn speaking my mind ( or lack of )

So what do you call that on a lobster boat ( or I'm guessing a displacement hull ).. Severe Sheer? A lotta sheer?? High angle of Sheer?? A sheer sheer??

( and the lobsterboat comparison got a sheer rise...)

Edited by - redeye on 02/04/2013 11:10:29

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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 12:32:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 ..... Looks like a mast on a lobsterboat to me. Just look at that deadrise. And those weird double black wraparound windows.

Worse than a bleach bottle...
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See? See? I try to make one positive comment about a Mac 26 and I get dragged back down into the fray!

At least you called it right. You can dress 'em up, but you can't take them anywhere!

sten

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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 12:54:11

I thought my comments about Mac were fair. Mac26 - Kind of like a Toyota Camry, I don't like them, but they sure sold a lot of them, must be me.

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Response Posted - 02/04/2013 : 13:05:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 I thought my comments about Mac were fair. Mac26 - Kind of like a Toyota Camry, I don't like them, but they sure sold a lot of them, must be me.
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I've seen a couple of them on your lake. Seems like a good place for them.

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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 08:53:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 And I thought the deadrise was the sheer..... See how much I learn speaking my mind ( or lack of ) So what do you call that on a lobster boat ( or I'm guessing a displacement hull ).. Severe Sheer? A lotta sheer?? High angle of Sheer?? A sheer sheer??<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'd say a lobster boat has a "traditional" sheer--higher at both ends of the hull for sea-keeping, and lower along the cockpit for working the water. Most newer powerboats (mine excepted) have a "reverse" sheer, where the sheer line bends downward toward the bow and transom. Some boats have a "broken" sheer--sort of a step up toward the bow.....

Catalinas generally have a modest traditional sheer, while that Mac has what I'd call a straight sheer (sorta like a barn).

The "deadrise" is, on a boat with chines, the angle (horizontal = 0 deg.) of the bottom from the keel to the chine. A long lobster boat on the Chesapeake is called a "deadrise" because of its hard chines with an almost flat bottom astern and high deadrise toward the bow, giving stability for working pots, and seaworthiness while moving through chop. The degree of "V" on newer powerboats is generally measured as the deadrise at the transom, typically ranging from 12-22 degrees.

Now you know more than you ever wanted to about the Dark Side!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/05/2013 08:57:21

shnool
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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 09:16:19

Rick I'll take the Mac 26 owners on our lake any day. Like I said, they are some of the more active sailors, and yes they are easier to launch with our difficult ramps, as I am sure you have experienced.

Edited by - shnool on 02/05/2013 09:20:08

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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 11:44:33

<< Now you know more than you ever wanted to about the Dark Side! >>

You are certainly not boring me, and thank you so much for the descriptions. I'm so far inland I can barely get anyone to talk about boating, much less explain any details. It is so hard to get the facts straight.

So would this ( the leading edge, forward, the bow ) be a "vertical sheer" on Hemingways old boat? (THis is what I usta incorrectly think was a deadrise.)

And a "horizontal sheer" on Ranger??

How would those be appropriately described????

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 12:02:31

OK, I found this tutorial very funny... Yes, Dorothy, we aren't in Kansas anymore. Ok, maybe we are... Goodness gravy...

Note: The first paragraph describes using a Windex and telling newbies to install one. Really? The boat doesn't come with one?

http://www.macgregormalta.info/HOW%20TO%20SAIL%20a%20MacGregor%2026M.pdf

sten

Edited by - redviking on 02/05/2013 12:04:41

redviking
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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 12:28:09

OK, I'm LMAOROTF now...

http://www.macgregormalta.info/Trailer%20Sailing%20Yachts%20-%20Malta%20-%20Sailing%20Basics.pdf

sten

Edited by - redviking on 02/05/2013 12:32:25

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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 13:38:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 ...So would this ( the leading edge, forward, the bow ) be a "vertical sheer" on Hemingways old boat? (THis is what I usta incorrectly think was a deadrise.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The "sheer" doesn't refer to the bow angle--it's the curve of (essentially) the gunwale, bow to stern.

Hemmingway's Pilar has a "plumb bow", or what old salts would call a "proud bow." Ranger and the other big Js of the period had what could be called severely "raked bows." If there were more curvature in the line from the water up to the deck, it would be called a "spoon bow." (Many S&S and Fife schooners have spoon bows.) Today's Americas Cup catamarans have reverse-raked bows--why, I don't know. (It seems to me it would increase their tendency to to submarine and then pitch-pole, which they seem to be doing!)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/05/2013 13:42:27

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Response Posted - 02/05/2013 : 13:42:11

As someone who wasn't born into sailing and had to learn it on my own, I'm not finding the humor. When I purchased my first sailboat, my knowledge of Windex was that it is something that is blue and used to clean the boat's windows, uh, I mean, portlights.

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