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Initially Posted - 10/19/2003 : 16:52:15

Just curious. I know they were held in Indiana last year and I was wondering if they were to be held in Indiana again.

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Response Posted - 10/19/2003 : 20:30:49

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Just curious. I know they were held in Indiana last year and I was wondering if they were to be held in Indiana again.

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"Yes I am a pirate, 200 years to late" J.Buffet
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My understanding is that the newly seated officers will make that decision based on the offers they have recieved. I am sure it won't be very long from now as clubs need to set their racing calendars early.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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Response Posted - 10/19/2003 : 22:21:41

Lake Cheney sounds nice. We went to a wedding in Wichita back in August and liked what we saw. Would not mind making the trip back to it to race.

"Yes I am a pirate, 200 years to late" J.Buffet

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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 : 09:35:44

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Lake Cheney sounds nice. We went to a wedding in Wichita back in August and liked what we saw. Would not mind making the trip back to it to race.
"Yes I am a pirate, 200 years to late" J.Buffet
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Thanks for the vote.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:19:07

I know everyone is worried about next years Nationals, I know I was last year when I volunteered to host the Nationals here in Indiana. But Someone needs to get off their arsss and get with it. I started in November last year and was busy everyday doing something to get ready. It is a tremendous job and very fullfilling. So please if you want to have the Nationals in your backyard please do, But if we need to hold it again in Indiana, The SEBYC will be glad to do it again. How about someone in new York? They apear to be all mouth but no likey sailing in compitition, kinda like the NYC!!!

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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 22:39:28

So far as I know, at least two proposals have been submitted to host the nationals. The officers need to decide between the proposals and let the hosts get busy organizing and promoting it. It might seem as if there's plenty of time, but there isn't. Time's a-wastin'!

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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 23:34:51

I say let wmeinert do it again. Looked like last years nationals went very smoothly. I have never raced and want to very badly. So, bad I can taste it. I am too competitive to suck at racing too long. So, I expect to get good at it within a few years. Can't get better if I don't race though or if they don't hold a race.

I pick Indiana...its closer! But Lake Cheney would be great also.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 00:53:18

Wow, you midwest guys are impatient.

Must be itching to get sailing again and from your tone it sounds like you ought to be planning some sort of regional event no matter where the national races are held. Be patient, I'm sure that this is one of the topics the new officers will address as soon as possible.

I think there are a lot of us who would like to see the national event moved from region to region each year. One of the main goals I see for our organiztion is to encourage participation by the greatest number of sailors possible.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 10:52:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rclift
 I think there are a lot of us who would like to see the national event moved from region to region each year. One of the main goals I see for our organiztion is to encourage participation by the greatest number of sailors possible.
Ray Clift
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You make a good point. We Midwesterners see ourselves as accessible by everyone, but truth be told it might be better to go to each coast, then the gulf and then the Midwest on a four year cycle.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 11:57:30

Well, the rotation sounds nice. But for someone who is just starting to get into this. There is no way I could go west one year, or east. If the race could be located somewhere in the middle of the country would help people with travel cost. Someone who lives in California may be able to compete in one out west, but if the next year it is on the east coast...hard to trailer your boat that far and not get fired from your job.

The midwest is a great location. You can move the location around each year. But the midwest is the best location.

Too far east or too far west is just too far for half the country to travel.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 13:26:46

Pure IMHO follows.

The dillema is that trailing even half-way across the country is too far for most folks... especially to visit a geographically limited mostly-racing venue on a lake.

That's why I favor a 3 year rotation... fully recognizing that yes, 2 out of 3 years the events will be 'out of range' for 2/3 of the owners. But at least 1 out of 3 years you'll have a realistic chance to go.

I also think that offering some sort of 'full week' cruise/race schedule is much more attractive to 'most' sailors. It would make the 3 or 4 days of travel easier to accept.

Chesapeake Bay, Florida (somewhere), Catalina Island, SF Bay, Great Lakes, Puget Sound are the sort of destinations that could accomodate this sort of event. (I know I'm missing lots of others)

Of course, all the above is contigent on finding a club or somebody willing to put out the labor to host the event. I'd invite you all to Humboldt Bay, but this is probably the worst spot in the US to trailer to... 300 miles from 'nowhere'.

There is only 1 route in here offers a path without crossing some seriously steep and narrow roads... (I mean nasty) and like a lake, this is a pretty limited venue unless you're ready to go ocean sailing on the North Pacific.

I'd wager that on any given weekend in SF bay or Mission Bay (San Diego) there are more C25/250's out than ever attended the nationals. The challenge is to get these folks involved.

This may be inherently difficult to do... as I think the 'demographics' of Catalina 25 ownership play against it.

We are mostly laidback 'Cruiser/Daysailers with the occasional racers sprinkled in... not like the hardcore J24 or Melges crowd.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 13:42:51

With that logic it should become the midwest "national" championship. Essentially these have all been regional events with only a few participants traveling any great distance to get there so to me it makes sense to move the so called "national" race from region to region in some sort of predicatble manner so a larger number of sailors have an opportunity to participate. No matter where the race takes place it will be to far for most of us to attend.

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 20:51:17

The only admonition I would add is please make it somewhere affordable. Just the trip costs money and to go somewhere with prohibitive anchorage, slip, and launch fees would certainly keep me away. That is my only concern about a coastal venue. At lakes, you pay a few dollars for a day pass to the park and after that it is free. I think some states even reciprocate on the park fees. Educate me here, if we go to the chesapeake will it only cost a couple dollars for the weekend of sailing?

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Response Posted - 10/25/2003 : 23:31:37

I don't think a rotation will ever work until we get more people involved in the regatta/ cruising weekend. If I remember correctly we have to beg every year just to get 1 place to offer to host the National Regatta. I personally will not go to the coast. I have absolutely no desire to sail or even put my boat in saltwater.

Once the officers are announced they will get to picking a site for the regatta. This is the first time in a few years that I can remember we have a few different places to pick from.

I do hope this year we get more boats traveling to the regatta than last year. I also hope to see the Crawford Milby showdown and to see some hot shot C250 racers.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 09:39:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The only admonition I would add is please make it somewhere affordable.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Usually the cost to the racer is a reasonable entry fee (to help defray the costs for the sponsoring club) and the cost of traveling to and from the regatta. Once there, the club usually finds dock space for the guests, who can then stay on their boats. If you can't launch or retrieve your boat from the trailer, you might have a fee for that, but usually that is also worked out by the sponsoring club.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'd wager that on any given weekend in SF bay or Mission Bay (San Diego) there are more C25/250's out than ever attended the nationals.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I don't know how many C-25s/250s sail at those sites on any given weekend, but in 1985 we had 29 C-25s hit the starting line at Brookville Lake, and, as far as I know, that is the most ever. Thirty-two boats pre-registered for the regatta, but three didn't show up. Despite the large number of boats, I don't believe there was a single protest during the regatta.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 09:42:41

If it is at Cheney you will have a 250 wing local that will be a serious competitor. He crews on an S2 7.9 (see rudder study) and I assume the crew will move to his boat for the nationals. If Cheney is selected I will send race notices to all of the local Catalina dealer's customer list. There are a dozen regional lakes that he services. Maybe some other 250s will pop out of the wood work.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 10:05:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If Cheney is selected I will send race notices to all of the local Catalina dealer's customer list.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Now, that's the way to promote the regatta!

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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 11:24:22

I agree, I would not trailer to put my boat in saltwater either. I am way to new to this racing thing to go racing in the ocean anyways.

It sounds like last years even was put together very well and ran smoothly.

Why not hold it at the same place as last year and during that regatta announce where the 2005 race will be held so people know a year a head of time.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 14:09:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Wow, you midwest guys are impatient.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The calendar forces the officers to get it organized soon. They have to let the proposed sponsor know his proposal has been chosen, so he can get it organized, and, more importantly, they should announce it in the next issue of the Mainsheet, so people know about it and can start making travel plans and arrangements with their employers, etc. Actually, it is probably already too late to get it in the next issue, and the last chance might be the spring issue. It seems like it is still far in the future, but it isn't.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2003 : 17:15:44

We I'm glad to hear a few people are talking about it, But a very good point was made about having a Catalina Dealer help foot the bill. We here in Indiana at the Lake Wawasee were able to use that to our advantage last year

But I wouldn't want to push to hard if I thought it would work against us this year. Although I don't feel it would be a problem. Doug Anderson did provide FREE slips and ramps along with the club house at no charge to the Association. Can we possibly put pressure on The Catalina Inc in California to support us? After all we are the second largest production boat in their long history, that ought to mean something! Also I would Like to invite everyone to attend the Strictly Sail Expo in Chicago this FEB. All the Catalina sailors stay at the Hampton Inn and we have quite a party with the "A" Fleet of Lake Michigan. Last year the Catalina president and CEO gave away trips to Mexico, maybe this year we can convince them to come up with some big prizes for the Nationals.

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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 11:17:07

Gentlemen: What with elections of officers still somewhat "up in the air", I think it's unrealistic to expect a decision on Nationals until sometime after the end of this month.

I know that I am planning to propose a West Coast venue for Nationals that will not include dipping one's boat in salt. The Columbia River near Portland, Oregon is most definately freshwater. There is a local fleet here (Fleet 94-11 boats, 6-7 prior racers so far) , and an active racing community to provide RC and help. It might be an excellent location for those wishing to couple this event with a longer cruise, especially to the San Juan Islands 250 miles away by trailer up I-5. I have been told by current officers to wait until after elections are complete to go much futher with specifics.......

It will happen, somewhere, I have no doubt. There seems to be more interest/chatter this year than most.....

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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 13:48:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gary B.
 I know that I am planning to propose a West Coast venue for Nationals that will not include dipping one's boat in salt. The Columbia River near Portland, Gary B.
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Is that near the "gorge" where all the windsurfers flock to? It sounds like an exciting venue and one people would remember for a long time.

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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 14:12:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is that near the "gorge" where all the windsurfers flock to? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

While Gary can give you the specifics where they propose to have the race (between N. Portland and Vancouver, WA, near PDX?), the "Gorge" is a bit upstream. Hood River, OR seems to be the center of a lot of windsurfing/kiting activity. It's a beautiful area, not far from Portland by car. But, by boat you have a big hydro dam, locks and some sandbars to contend with -- doable, but not easy for those not experienced with them.

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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 14:30:37

Well, that is waaaay to far for us to pull a trailer. Not enough time to be able to head out that far although it sounds very nice.

Guess that gives us another year to work on becoming better at sailing.

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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 14:36:26

Like Gary, I'm pleased to hear the chatter regarding 2004 Nationals, and look forward to the decision being made. We have several good venues, and this will be great for the Association and the host fleet. Once we know the details, then I'll figure out a way to get there. Portland has some attraction for me, my neices finance lives there and they will be living there for next years' naNationals, if only I can find a boat to charter . . .. If not there then I'll be available for crew of race committee.

Lake Chaney sounds great to me to. An experienced club in major events, a race committee, and it would be a great spot for a Nationals. Mmmmm.

Way to Cat25/250 sailors. Keep up the good chatter! I'm geting excited already

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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 14:51:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by osmepneo
 ...my neices finance lives there<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Now, there's an inventive new term for "ex-husband".

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