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RichardG
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Response Posted - 12/12/2003 : 13:32:03

1. #2657
2. Cast iron fin
3. Sanity
4. 1981
5. M2
6. Traditional
7. Standard
8. Upgraded stainless
9. Starboard
10. No head sink (hanging locker there), original ('81) CDI furler, only slight list to port (goes away with water tank full).

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matsche
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 17:45:52

1. 5171
2. lead fin
3. no name
4. 1985
5. Mk III?
6. Traditional
7. tall
8. SS spreader sockets
9. starboard mount
10. has popup, 2 sinks, foredeck hatch and anchor locker

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skipn809
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 17:59:29

1. 5121
2. Lead fin
3. Corporal Punishment
4. 1985
5. MK 2 (aluminum windows)
6. Traditional
7. Tall rig SS
8. Starboard

Nothing unusual or extra from factory. Owners certificate shows boat made in May 1985 and delivered to owner in Texas July 1985. I wonder if the Gleason main and jib are original? They sport the Catalina logo and hull #.

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fburged
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 19:44:57

1. 371
2. Swing Keel
3. Runamuck
4. 1978
5. Mk-1
6. Fore and Aft dinette
7. Standard rig
8. Aluminum spreaders (replacing this winter with stainless)
9. Outboard 15 HP mounted on Port side

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Earl Landers
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Response Posted - 12/13/2003 : 20:11:46

Larry,

1 3579
2 Swing
3 Gentle Spirit
4 1983
5 2
6 Traditional
7 Standard
8 SS spreader sockets
9 8hp Honda on Starboard
10 Have pop top, No sink in head, 3rd owner

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 12/14/2003 : 07:54:04

Larry,

1. 6021
2. Wing
3. Quietude
4. 1990
5. Mk. IV
6. Traditional
7. Standard
8. SS sockets
9. Inboard Diesel (Westerbeke M2-12)

FYI - According to my Westerbeck manual, the weight of the engine is 175 lbs.. So, after adding on the wt. of the other necessary equiptment and modifications, I'd guesstimate the total to be 275-300lbs., thats including a full fuel tank. The 6 gallon(I think) fuel tank is in the aft end of the port settee.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/14/2003 : 11:06:37

CALISTA is:
an '83 tall rig
sWING in '95
pop top
starboard motor mount
dinette model
porta potty
SSB antenna + single backstay
stainless spreader brackets
cdi furler
new 150 Ulman
three year old full battened main loose footed also Ulman
fitted winter cover ( Fairclough)
9.9 hp electric start Johnson X-long shaft
Sail # 3936
Nicro solar vent
etc.

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 12/15/2003 : 13:11:13

#2439
Swinger
Panacea II
1981
Mk2
Traditional
Standard
SS Spreader brackets
Starboard MM
Hanging locker in head, no sink

CVick
PanaceaII '81 C25 #2439 SRSK
Fort Smith, AR

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cch
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 00:25:31

Hi Larry,

1 Hull # 2126
2 Swing to Wing Conversion in Fall of 2003
3 Moonglade
4 1980
5 MK 1
6 Fore Aft Dinette
7 Standard Rig
8 Stainless Steel Spreader Sockets (year/Model would suggest aluminum but I have not replaced and the PO listed everything he had done and spreader sockets were not on his list, They look old!)
9 Outboard Mount is on Port Side
10 No Sink in Head Area, I Believe a Hanging Locker Came With The Boat (custom cabinets by myself)Drawers Added in the Galley by PO Moonglade Has Pop Top, Foredeck Hatch, Anchor Locker, Coaming Boxes

Thanks for your efforts,

Edited by - cch on 12/16/2003 00:31:22

Jody
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 09:54:20

1. Hull Number: 4040
2. Keel Type: Fin (not sure on material)
3. Boat Name: Efficacious
4. Model Year: 1984
5. Design Mark: Mk. 2
6. Interior: Traditional
7. Rig: Standard (28’ mast)
8. Rigging Hardware: Stainless Steel
9. Engine Mount: Outboard on starboard
10. Special Items to Note:
Boat does not have a sink on the starboard side of the head compartment.

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Mark Loyacano
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Response Posted - 12/16/2003 : 11:05:52

1. Hull number 549
2. Swing keel
3. Riff Raff
4. 1978
5. Mark 1
6. L shape dinette
7. Standard rig
8. stainless sockets, original chainplate eyes
9. outboard on port side
10. Special items: removed the following... most forward bulkhead, potty, forward sink and cabinets, dinette table (plugged hole in cabin sole w/beckson plate), removed bulkhead between aft quarterberth and port side locker area. Also have removed the "poptop" hardware and silicone sealed the poptop down tight.
Items added: Guest battery charger, solar panel, day/night powered Nicro vent, Bimini, CruiseAir airconditioning, stereo system, CDI furler and 155 genoa.
This boat, Chrysler 9.9 outboard and EZ Loader trailer date back to the original owner in 1978 (I'm #5) and has always sailed on the same Kansas lake.

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GeorgeB
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Response Posted - 12/17/2003 : 11:54:08

Add this
1. 1872
2. Swing
3. Abegweit
4. 1980
5. Mk1
6. Dinette
7. Tall rig
8. Stainless spreader sockets,(Owner upgrade) original chainplates
9. Outboard on Port
10. Boat has pop top and sink in head which were extra cost options.

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kenobie51
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Response Posted - 12/17/2003 : 12:29:34

Larry, My data,
1.#1657
2.Swing Keel
3.Estalita II.
4.1980
5.Mark 1
6.Fore- Aft Dinette
7.Standard
8.Aluminum spreader sockets, Upgraded fore and aft lower chainplate eyes
9.Outboard Port
10.Pop-up top, sink in head area, foredeck hatch and anchor locker.

Regards,
Larry

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frich
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418 Posts

Response Posted - 12/17/2003 : 16:44:31

My Survey results, Frank Rich

Hull # 4179
Keel swing/ cast Iron
Name Irish Ayes
Year 1984
Design Mark II
Interior Traditional
Rig Std
Rig Hware Upgraded
Engine Mtd Starboard
Sink on Starboard Yes
Pop Top Yes
Foredeck Hatch Yes
Color green boot strip/ buff anti-slip

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natrgatr
Deckhand

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Response Posted - 12/18/2003 : 13:26:03

1.2955
2.swing
3.Cafe au Lake
4.1983
5.MK 2
6.fore & aft
7.Tall

8.stainless
9.starboard
10.no pop-top

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At Ease
Admiral

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Response Posted - 12/19/2003 : 13:57:55

1. 4488
2. Fin
3.
4. 1984
5. Mark 2
6. Traditional
7. Standard
8. Original
9. O/B starboard

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Bill Sloane
1st Mate

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Response Posted - 12/19/2003 : 18:59:28

My beautiful Catalina 25:

1. Hull Number 496
2. Swing Keel
3. "Suede Shoes"
4. 1978
5. Mark I
6. Fore and Aft Dinette
7. Standard Rig
8. Original Cast Aluminum spreader sockets
9. Engine mount on Port Side
10.Has pop-top, no starboard side head sink.
Converted alcohol stove to propane.
Has dark blue deck, the only one I have seen, hence
Please don't step on my blue . . .

Thanks,

Bill

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gnorgan
Admiral

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563 Posts

Response Posted - 12/20/2003 : 20:29:47

1. 5944
2. Wing
3. Classical Cat
4. 1989
5. Mark 4
6. Traditional.
7. Tall (30’ mast = power, baby!!!

)
8. stainless steel sockets with upgraded chainplate eyes.
9. Engine Mount: Outboard on Starboard
10. Special Items to Note:
Boat has a pop-top
Boat has a sink on the starboard side of the head compartment.
Boat has a foredeck hatch and anchor locker

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sierrasailor
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Response Posted - 12/21/2003 : 22:29:49

Larry- here is some more data for your owner survey.I bought this boat a little over a year ago in Nov.'02.I am the third owner.
1.Hull#:CTYK4045M84A
2.Swing keel
3.Name:Mental Floss
4.Originally delivered in Sept.'83 as '84 model when I asked the Catalina factory.
5.Mk2
6.Traditional int.
7.Standard rig
8.Rigging:SS spreader sockets,alum. framed windows, not sure on upgraded chainplates
9:Port side motor mnt. Original owner requested due to disability.
10.Pop-top,no strbd sink in head (has hanging lkr),running lights on bow & stern rails.

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SEA DOG
Deckhand

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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 06:55:33

Hi Larry,
1. 4232
2. Fin (SS-Lead)
3. Seadog
4. 1984
5. Mk.2
6. Traditional
7. Tall
8. SS-upgrd.
9. STBD
10.Seahood (non-poptop) Vanity sink in head

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 08:22:48

Data to be included:
1. Hull Number 401
2. Keel Type: Swing, Cast-Iron Fin, Encapsulated Lead Fin, OEM Wing, or Swing-to-Wing Conversion. Swing
(any pre-86 boats with a wing are assumed to be conversions)
(Fin keels with stainless steel keel bolts are lead, carbon steel bolts = cast iron fin)
3. Boat Name The Flying Wasp, formerly Apprentice
4. Model Year 1978
5. Design Mark: 1, 2, 3 , or 4 Mark I, (is this a catlina designation or an association designation?)
Mk. 1 = all C-25’s with only one hatch on the portside cockpit seat (gas tank in the lazarette) (approximately 1977-1980 models)
Mk. 2 = Starts with first C-25 to have a separate gas tank locker, and ends with the last C-25 to have aluminum framed cabin windows. (approximately 1981-1985 models)
Mk. 3 = Starts with the first C-25 to have flush-mount windows and ends with the last C-25 to have a keel trunk recess (approximately 1986-1987 models)
Mk. IV = All C-25’s with the “lowered floor” following the elimination of the swing keel option (approximately 1988 to end-of-production).
6. Interior: L-shape dinette, Fore-and-Aft Dinette, or Traditional.Fore and Aft Dinette
7. Rig: Standard (28’ mast) 
8. Rigging Hardware: Original Cast Aluminum spreader sockets or stainless steel sockets with upgraded chainplate eyes.had original aluminum, upgraded to Stainless
9. Engine Mount: Outboard on Port, Outboard on Starboard, or Inboard Diesel.Port
10. Special Items to Note:
Boat does not have a pop-top (a handful of the earliest boats were built this way). yes
Boat does not have a sink on the starboard side of the head compartment. Holes were in the hull for it, but covered. Sink was apparently removed
Boat does not have a foredeck hatch and/or anchor locker (were any built this way?) has both
Do you have information (the hull number, specifically) about any Catalina 25 that has been lost or destroyed and is no longer in existence? Know of one lost, but don't have hull num

Some of the other questions we are trying to answer with this survey:
a. When did the improved stainless spreader socket and chainplate kit replace the cast aluminum one as standard equipment?
b. When did the Lead fin keel replace the Cast-iron fin keel?
c. What hull numbers define the boundaries of the 4 major design phases (Marks), and do they correspond exactly to certain model years?
d. When did the factory switch from port to starboard mounting of the outboard bracket?
e. When did the factory switch from the L-shaped dinette to the Fore-and-aft dinette, or was there a period of overlap where both were being produced to customer order?
f. Are all of the Mark III’s and Mark IV’s “Traditional” interior, or were some built as Dinette interior?
g. What was the total production of Inboard Diesels? (believed to be about 50)

 other information not considered
<ul><li> Early models built without stern pulpit? ...lifelines ended at beginning of cockpit (see parts manual diagrams</li>
<li> Small oval storage in coming was an option -- we installed ours later ('99)</li>
<li> Factory installed head was an option (about 80% sure on this might have been a dealer option, yet another holcomb question) we had on original factory installed head</li>
<li>Have the to hulls been replaced? -- no on ours</li>
<li> any other major mods? We will be putting in teak and holly sole this year as well as a door to the head.</li></ul>

If you would like to participate in this survey, reply to this posting or e-mail me at: lgcharlot@lanset.com. The data will be compiled into an excel spreadsheet.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Larry Charlot
Catalina 25WK/TR Mk. IV #5857 "Quiet Time"
Folsom Lake, CA

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 10:59:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 5. Design Mark: 1, 2, 3 , or 4 Mark I, (Is this a Catalina designation or an association designation?)
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Neither.

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RoofRoof
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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 11:00:22

Hull #: 1365
Keel: Swing
Boat name: R&R
Year: 1979
Design: Mk 1?
Interior: L- shaped dinette
Rig: converted to Tall rig
Rigging Hdwr: upgraded to stainless
engine mt: outboard on port

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 11:04:15

This is a classic example of the odditties of Catalina . I(n the swap meet there is a listing for an 82 and it has this galley.

I have a midyear 82and my galley has cabinets, formica bulkhead, teak fronts, had no sink nor access to ice box, (until I bought my dremel).

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 16:49:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 This is a classic example of the odditties of Catalina . I(n the swap meet there is a listing for an 82 and it has this galley.

I have a midyear 82and my galley has cabinets, formica bulkhead, teak fronts, had no sink nor access to ice box, (until I bought my dremel).

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Oddly, the upper picture exactly resembles the interior of my Silver Girl #3744 which was delivered new to me in mid '83, except that I have the original alcohol curtain burner.

These photos and your observations regarding "oddities" among various Catalina 25s are IMO, a good reason to abandon the invention of the so called "Mk" designations when referring to, and giving weight to, design changes which may or may not be of equal importance, or may not even be present in boats built in sequence.

For example, which design change warrants a change in the "Mk #"; the change from aluminum framed windows to the smoked lexan type, or the change from cast iron keels with mild steel bolts to encapsulated lead keels with stainless fastenings? Do the boats with the heavier standing rigging, more substantial chainplates and stainless spreader sockets deserve a "Mk #" of their own, or do cosmetic differences which may not even be present in consequtively built boats?

I agree with those who believe that arbitrarily assigning "Mk" numbers to our boats is doing a disservice to those who own older vessels and may want to put them on the market in the future.

Besides, if the owners of those vessels with lower arbitrary "Mk" numbers have properly maintained their boats and upgraded those systems that really count, why should they be placed in a "lower" less desireable class?

Anyway, I hope I don't get this

for writing this, but I think it needed to be said.

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