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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/22/2003 : 23:49:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by oldsalt
 

Oddly, the upper picture exactly resembles the interior of my Silver Girl #3744 which was delivered new to me in mid '83, except that I have the original alcohol curtain burner.

These photos and your observations regarding "oddities" among various Catalina 25s are IMO, a good reason to abandon the invention of the so called "Mk" designations when referring to, and giving weight to, design changes which may or may not be of equal importance, or may not even be present in boats built in sequence.

For example, which design change warrants a change in the "Mk #"; the change from aluminum framed windows to the smoked lexan type, or the change from cast iron keels with mild steel bolts to encapsulated lead keels with stainless fastenings? Do the boats with the heavier standing rigging, more substantial chainplates and stainless spreader sockets deserve a "Mk #" of their own, or do cosmetic differences which may not even be present in consequtively built boats?

I agree with those who believe that arbitrarily assigning "Mk" numbers to our boats is doing a disservice to those who own older vessels and may want to put them on the market in the future.

Besides, if the owners of those vessels with lower arbitrary "Mk" numbers have properly maintained their boats and upgraded those systems that really count, why should they be placed in a "lower" less desireable class?

Anyway, I hope I don't get this

for writing this, but I think it needed to be said.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I feel the same way, Mark. Thanks!

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 12/23/2003 : 15:46:09

1. Hull Number=4603
2. Keel Type=Encapsulated Lead Fin
3. Boat Name=Coolatta
4. Model Year=1984
5. Design Mark= 2
6. Interior=Traditional.
7. Rig= Standard
8. Rigging Hardware=stainless steel sockets with upgraded chainplate eyes.
9. Engine Mount=Outboard on Starboard

Rich Kokoska

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 12/23/2003 : 19:26:27

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CATALINA 25 OWNER SURVEY

Data:
1. 533
2. Cast-Iron Fin
3. Impulse
4. 1978
5. 1
6. Fore-and-Aft Dinette
7. Standard (28’ mast)
8. Original Cast Aluminum spreader sockets
9. Outboard on Port
10. Pop Top, No sink in head compartment

Upgrades:
1. SS spreader sockets and larger chainplate eyes
2. Standing rigging and open turn buckles
3. Split backstay
4. Through hulls
5. Masthead sheaves (all rope halyards)

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LeighMarie
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Response Posted - 12/23/2003 : 20:30:05

1. #5128
2. Swing
3. Leigh-Marie (formerly Shenandoah and Second Wind that I know of)
4. 1985
5. Mk. 2 (Aluminum windows)
6. Traditional Interior
7. Standard Rig
8. Stainless Steel Sockets
9. Starboard MM

Edited by - LeighMarie on 01/27/2004 13:27:50

GregOnC25
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Response Posted - 12/23/2003 : 20:43:15

Larry,
Here is the info for my boat. Looking forward to seeing the compiled data.
Greg

1. Hull Number 5615
2. Wing Keel
3. "New Morning"
4. 1987
5. Mark III
6. Traditional Interior
7. Tall Rig
8. Stainless Steel sockets
9. Engine mount on Starboard Side
10. Starboard side head sink.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/26/2003 : 13:15:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by oldsalt
 

Oddly, the upper picture exactly resembles the interior of my Silver Girl #3744 which was delivered new to me in mid '83, except that I have the original alcohol curtain burner.

These photos and your observations regarding "oddities" among various Catalina 25s are IMO, a good reason to abandon the invention of the so called "Mk" designations when referring to, and giving weight to, design changes which may or may not be of equal importance, or may not even be present in boats built in sequence.

For example, which design change warrants a change in the "Mk #"; the change from aluminum framed windows to the smoked lexan type, or the change from cast iron keels with mild steel bolts to encapsulated lead keels with stainless fastenings? Do the boats with the heavier standing rigging, more substantial chainplates and stainless spreader sockets deserve a "Mk #" of their own, or do cosmetic differences which may not even be present in consequtively built boats?

I agree with those who believe that arbitrarily assigning "Mk" numbers to our boats is doing a disservice to those who own older vessels and may want to put them on the market in the future.

Besides, if the owners of those vessels with lower arbitrary "Mk" numbers have properly maintained their boats and upgraded those systems that really count, why should they be placed in a "lower" less desireable class?

Anyway, I hope I don't get this

for writing this, but I think it needed to be said.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I feel the same way, Mark. Thanks!
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I'll Third that.

If Butler wanted to put a Mark/Make number on the boat he would have. There were a multitude of owner options available too. These alone could account for a vastly different boat only 1 serial number apart. Its a 19## Catalina 25, xxx rig with a yyyy keel. Nothing more nothing less.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"its a model built before catalytic converters so it runs good on reg'lar gas" -- Elwood Blues"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Edited by - Champipple on 12/26/2003 13:16:35

Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 12/26/2003 : 13:24:20

I'll Third that.

If Butler wanted to put a Mark/Make number on the boat he would have. There were a multitude of owner options available too. These alone could account for a vastly different boat only 1 serial number apart. Its a 19## Catalina 25, xxx rig with a yyyy keel. Nothing more nothing less. - Duane

I agree.

BTW Duane, what is the first burgee in your signature block? I think it looks pretty cool. The crescent moon & star make me wonder if it's the Baghdad Yacht Club

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rford
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Response Posted - 12/26/2003 : 13:53:55

1. Hull Number: 6022
2. Keel Type: OEM Wing
3. Boat name: Providence
4. Model Year: 1990
5. Design Mark: 4
6. Interior: Traditional.
7. Rig: Tall (30’ mast)
8. Rigging Hardware: I'll have to confirm this one.
9. Engine Mount: Outboard on Starboard
10. Special Items to Note: No special items to note

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dmreece
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Response Posted - 12/28/2003 : 22:27:02

Larry,

I'm new to being a sailboat owner and this group. I bought my Cat-25 from a good friend this past summer. Here is the data on my boat. If you need something else please email me.

1. Hull # 454
2. Fin Keel, I don't know the composition but I presume cast iron.
3. Boat is currently named "T-Shirt" from a po who owned a T-Shirt company. I plan to rename her "Wind Runner" this summer.
4. Year = 1978
5. Mark 1, but interestly my windows are aluminum and flush with the outside deck. I believe they are original equipment.
6. From the discussions, I think I have the L-shaped dinette. The table mounts to the port side.
7. Rigging = Standard.
8. Rigging HW = ???? I believe it to be orig. cast aluminum. I'll find out this summer, my steamer light is out.
9. Engine mount = OB port side.
No sink in starboard head compartment.
I have a both a foredeck hatch (opens to V-berth) and an anchor (rope) locker. An interesting note about the anchor locker -- a Cat-25 (a couple of years newer) in the next slip has rope outlet ports underneath the hatch lid so that the bulk of an anchor rope can be stored and still attached to the anchor on the pulpit. Mine does not. I have attached a locking carabiner to the end of the anchor rope for easy storage.

Hope that helps.
-dr

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 12/29/2003 : 08:05:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
BTW Duane, what is the first burgee in your signature block? I think it looks pretty cool. The crescent moon & star make me wonder if it's the Baghdad Yacht Club

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Its my yacht clubs burgee. check them out at www.eycweb.com

dw

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CB
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Response Posted - 12/29/2003 : 13:44:59

1) Hull#2672
2) Swing Keel
3) Deez Knots
4) 1981
5) Mk II
6) Traditional Interior
7) Standard Rig
8) Stainless Spreader Sockets
9) Outboard mounted on starboard side
10) 1 sink in galley only, portapotti, 2 sep. hatches on deck

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John V.
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Response Posted - 12/29/2003 : 14:22:46

1. 153
2. Swing
3. Nin Bimash II (in Ojibway, an Anishinabe language, meaning "I'm Sailing)
4. 1977
5. Mk. 1
6. fore aft dinette
7. Standard
8. SS spreader upgrade by PO, chainplate upgrade spring 03
9. outboard on port, new SS CD mount spring 03
10. No pop top, new lexan forward hatch 02, new type III head 02, new lav sink, FW tank 02. Rear pulpit added by PO, Stbd. swim ladder 03
2nd battery port side 03, 2000 w inverter 02, Airex wind turbine 03, 150 lbs lead shot stbd settee locker (she sits very even now. a list to port common in early Mk I's, with galley, motor, holding tank, and head all to port) oak/mahogany bifold doors for lav and forward cabin 02, new oak strip counter top galley, dinette, lav 02, Raymarine ST1000 auto pilot 02, new mast step with 6 blocks/deck organizer and spinlock line clutches leading all lines aft, 02. new halyards and sheets 02. Oak/lexan folding companionway hatch board 02,(redesiged and built 2nd time 03)

I'm sure there are more things I have done to this boat. It doesn't look anything like a 77. We did a lot of rewiring replacing the old catalina fuse and switch plate with a better West marine type. the panel includes shore power controls, and switches for the Air-X wind turbine. our set-up is always charging yesterday's battery which remains isolated while on the wind charger. At present power control is still behind the galley sink. (not happy with this location but at present it will have to do)

With a few more upgrades she will be perfect.

Edited by - John V. on 12/30/2003 00:12:41

oldsalt
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Response Posted - 12/29/2003 : 22:35:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RichardG
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">NO cockpit coaming boxes<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

A friend's '78 SR/FK also doesn't have them. They may have been an option on earlier boats.
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They were, in 1983 they charged $150 apiece for them.

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John Bixby
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Response Posted - 12/30/2003 : 10:43:02

1977
fin keel
Miss Achsa
MK1
L shaped
standard rig
port outboard
no pop top
no sink in head.
no cockpit coaming boxes
gas tank is in portside lazzerette, there is a storage
compartment on the starboard side about 4 inches deep.
original cushion covers were a ugly yellow and brown
plaid.
was a blue hull/changed to off white in 1999.
did a bottom job in 00 and did not have a single
blister.
john

Edited by - John Bixby on 12/30/2003 10:46:12

mmac
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Response Posted - 12/30/2003 : 19:34:35

1. #1372
2. cast-iron
3. Mara
4. 1979
5. Mk 1
6. fore and aft dinette (I ordered it that way)
7. standard rig
8. original aluminum
9. outboard on port
10. no pop top (I ordered it that way also)

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TomA
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Response Posted - 01/05/2004 : 15:32:55

Larry, Here's my information:

1. Hull number: 5826
2. OEM Wing
3. Miss Jenny
4. 1989
5. MK 4
6. Traditional
7. Standard
8. Stainless sockets and ugraded chainplate eyes
9. Outboard on starboard

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strataview
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Response Posted - 01/06/2004 : 21:19:27

1. 2593
2. Fin - type unknown
3. Shotgun
4. 1981
5. Mk2
6. fore-aft dinette
7. Tall rig
8. Original - as far as I know
9. Outboard - starboard
10 . Upgrades
A. traveller moved to front of companionway, allows for full bimini
B. Stainless chainplates - 2002
11. Other:
A. Forward hatch above v-berth
B. Anchor locker
C. starboard sink at head

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smp817
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Response Posted - 01/09/2004 : 11:33:46

1. #5853
2. Original Wing Keel
3. Love & Luck (formerly Lazy Daze)
4. 1989
5. Mark IV
6. Not sure what you call it. Table folds down from the bulkhead, seats are the side setees.
7. Tall Rig
8. Don't know which I have.
9. Inboard Diesel, Universal 12.
10. Replaced the "Curtain Burner" with an Origo Alcohol 2 Burner stove.

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Randolph G. Wilson
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Response Posted - 01/09/2004 : 11:35:36

1. CTYK3856M83J
2. Cast iron Fin ( I think)
3. Sea Schelle I (previous owner's)
4. 1983
5. Mark 2
6. Traditional
7. Standard
8. Not sure
9. Outboard on starboard

a-g. ??

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smp817
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Response Posted - 01/09/2004 : 11:54:45

Correction on the #5853 above: It should be #5883. Not sure where my head is...

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captck
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Response Posted - 01/10/2004 : 05:51:42

Hull #5705 (CTYK5705G788 w sail# 5783 dealer mess up)
OEM Wing
Slip Away II
1988
MK III (w/o lower floor)
Traditional
Standard rig
w/SS spreader mounts & rig chg.
Starboard outboard Honda 9.9

Edited by - captck on 01/10/2004 06:40:12

blueheaven
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Response Posted - 01/17/2004 : 14:47:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lcharlot
 CATALINA 25 OWNER SURVEY
I am compiling a list of all Catalina 25’s built, or at least as many as I can track down.
The list will contain basic boat data, and be used primarily as a buyer’s guide to the Catalina 25:
The list will be public-domain.

Data to be included:
1. Hull Number
2. Keel Type: Swing, Cast-Iron Fin, Encapsulated Lead Fin, OEM Wing, or Swing-to-Wing Conversion.
(any pre-86 boats with a wing are assumed to be conversions)
(Fin keels with stainless steel keel bolts are lead, carbon steel bolts = cast iron fin)
3. Boat Name
4. Model Year
5. Design Mark: 1, 2, 3 , or 4
Mk. 1 = all C-25’s with only one hatch on the portside cockpit seat (gas tank in the lazarette) (approximately 1977-1980 models)
Mk. 2 = Starts with first C-25 to have a separate gas tank locker, and ends with the last C-25 to have aluminum framed cabin windows. (approximately 1981-1985 models)
Mk. 3 = Starts with the first C-25 to have flush-mount windows and ends with the last C-25 to have a keel trunk recess (approximately 1986-1987 models)
Mk. IV = All C-25’s with the “lowered floor” following the elimination of the swing keel option (approximately 1988 to end-of-production).
6. Interior: L-shape dinette, Fore-and-Aft Dinette, or Traditional.
7. Rig: Standard (28’ mast) or Tall (30’ mast)
8. Rigging Hardware: Original Cast Aluminum spreader sockets or stainless steel sockets with upgraded chainplate eyes.
9. Engine Mount: Outboard on Port, Outboard on Starboard, or Inboard Diesel.
10. Special Items to Note:
Boat does not have a pop-top (a handful of the earliest boats were built this way).
Boat does not have a sink on the starboard side of the head compartment.
Boat does not have a foredeck hatch and/or anchor locker (were any built this way?)
Do you have information (the hull number, specifically) about any Catalina 25 that has been lost or destroyed and is no longer in existence?

Some of the other questions we are trying to answer with this survey:
a. When did the improved stainless spreader socket and chainplate kit replace the cast aluminum one as standard equipment?
b. When did the Lead fin keel replace the Cast-iron fin keel?
c. What hull numbers define the boundaries of the 4 major design phases (Marks), and do they correspond exactly to certain model years?
d. When did the factory switch from port to starboard mounting of the outboard bracket?
e. When did the factory switch from the L-shaped dinette to the Fore-and-aft dinette, or was there a period of overlap where both were being produced to customer order?
f. Are all of the Mark III’s and Mark IV’s “Traditional” interior, or were some built as Dinette interior?
g. What was the total production of Inboard Diesels? (believed to be about 50)

If you would like to participate in this survey, reply to this posting or e-mail me at: lgcharlot@lanset.com. The data will be compiled into an excel spreadsheet.

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blueheaven
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Response Posted - 01/19/2004 : 21:04:44

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Response Posted - 01/19/2004 : 21:27:11

Here is the data on my catalina 25 for your survey.

1. Hull # 5797
2. Wing Keel
3. Blueheaven
4. 1988
5. Mark IV
6. Traditional Interior
7. Tall Rig
8. Stainless steel sockets on spreaders
9. outboard, on port, electric start, throtle control mounted in
cockpit.
10. Has pop top, lazy jacks, auto helm, compass, knot meter, wind
speed/apparent wind guage, deck lighting, dual batteries,
extra circuit board, built in trickle charger Triad trailer
with 6 adjustable pads, and tongue extension.

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Steve Shetter
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Response Posted - 02/26/2004 : 11:43:18

Ok Larry, here 'tis. To begin, I am sorry that I haven't responded until now. I hope that it's not too late to be included in your survey.
1. #2381
2. Swing keel - cast iron
3. "At Last" (ex Pizzazz II, ex Pizzazz)
4. 1981
5. Mark II
6. New Traditional (According to my owner's manual)
7. Tall
8. Stainless spreaders (perhaps PO changed?), no info on chainplates
9. Port Engine Mount (Stainless w/ manual pulley lift system)
10. Pop-top - Yes
No sink in Head (I think it was ordered with a closet instead.

Additionally, I have 3 lockers in the cockpit; one deep Port, one fuel Port and one shallow Starboard. Also I have a cabin hatch, over the V berth and an anchor locker at the bow with an anchor rode notch. There are 2 bilge access panels on the floor, one teak drawer, and 2 teak hinged doors in the galley, a teak door in the bow (in the V berth), teak bulkheads between the saloon and the head. I have a marine head on the port side with NO holding tank, hull mounted running lights, teak trimmed copaming compartments in the cockpit, non-pressurized alcohol stove in galley (maybe PO installed?). I think that i have the original mainsail and jib, but also have a 150 and a 170 Genoa. the outboard is a 1982 Honda 4 stroke (the only kind they made).

I can;t think of anything else right now. Good luck with your project. I hope that you are going to publish the results of this survey and make us all smarter.

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