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unixverse
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:03:54

Antares -

Well ... that's the right attitude, though. I guess I'm lucky that I'm multi-lingual (NOT French though).

If you want to give people the impression that you speak many languages there is always babelfish.altavista.com :) ...

Joe

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gambrose
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 14:24:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by unixverse
 Hello -

My wife and I have been looking at a '86 Catalina 25. The current owners are asking for $10,999 but the Buc Book Value is only from $9,450 to $10,450. They don't want to move because they are saying that they invested a lot of money. Is that reasonable? The boat is in a wonderful condition and they have really taken good care of it.

The sails are original and so I was wondering if that could be a problem - I have not seen them yet? I assume they are fine if they took care of them the way they did take care of the boat.

We are just afraid that we are overpaying but I really love this boat. Is it worth to pay the money they are asking for?

The boat comes with main (original), 2 jibs (one new and one original), genoa, spinnaker. It also has a VHF radio and Loran. Depthsounder, Autopilot and Knotmeter.

Any comments would be helpful!

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Joe
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Hi Joe,

I am of the school that when you find a boat that you really love "go for it". In the long run of ownership of a C25 (or any boat) up grades to sails and equipement is part of the fun of renewing your relationship to that boat. A new sail, or a new motor mount, or a furling unit makes the boat "new again". And it is easier on the pocketbook than the stress and effort of another boat purchase that is five feet bigger.

On sails...we just replaced our main for the first time. Our C25 is a 1984 and was with original main until now. I have always washed, or had our local sail maker wash and do 1 hour of free repairs every year. This years inspection, and I was there to see it, showed around the batten pockets very thin fabric. Very thin means you could grasp fabric between two hands and pull lightly and it would seperate. It is like the fabric all of a sudden became frail. In other areas the fabric seemed fine. Well, we obviously did not want to sail with that condition so we bit the bullet and went for the new loose footed main. I am really excited about the boat being "new" again this year.

I did notice in later posts that the boat you are looking at has a diesel. One of the great benefits in the usual C25 is that it does it's work quite well with an outboard. Cheap to replace, repair, and they are reliable. I think that an 18 year old diesel may be the high liability item in the boat you are looking at. My guess would be 4-7K for a rebuild/replacement on an inboard diesel. That is a lot compared to the usual 2 - 2.5K for outboard replacement.

Again, if you have fallen in love with this well maintained boat, and can also afford a near term diesel replacement, than go for it. Also, have a survey done on the boat. It's a good investment. Ask the surveyor, or a sail loft, to examine the main and then use this information to negotaite a fair price with the owner.

Best of luck to you ! You will not regret owning a C25.

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unixverse
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 15:48:50

Gambrose -

Thanks for your comments!

I just cannot help it but I really prefer an inboard engine. I guess I will really have to look into the condition of the engine even though it looks great. The sails need a better look as well. How much is a survey typically?

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Joe

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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 16:12:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by unixverse
 Gambrose -

Thanks for your comments!

I just cannot help it but I really prefer an inboard engine. I guess I will really have to look into the condition of the engine even though it looks great. The sails need a better look as well. How much is a survey typically?

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Joe
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Joe,

Our last survey was in 1988 and it was $250. Today's cost would leave me guessing so I think it a good question for Sailor's Forum.

I can understand your preference for a diesel ! It would be nice to have that ease of use and the prop down very low in the water. We have looked at a lot of possible replacement boats over the years and I have yet to fall for another. Instead, as said, we have enjoyed the renewal of what we have. The right combinations of color, price, options, and suitability are tough to find. Once you do it can be opportunity missed, and regreted. The Catalina 25, is, in my estimation, way undervalued as a used vessel.

Once again, good luck in your decision making.

Gary

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rford
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 16:13:50

Seems to me there are a lot of good 25s around. After selling my 22, while I was still in the process of finding my 25, the best advice I got from a fellow sailer was "take your time and find the right boat for you. The right boat will come along."

Just a quick glance through the swap meet section in this forum shows several nice boats. When I was shopping last fall I also searched Google for Catalina 25 "for sale". Eventually I found my boat on the swap meet section on this site.

Good Luck!

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coach
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 18:01:39

I think your boat would easily go for 10k here in the midwest. I say offer 10k and see what they say. IMO, it is worth it.

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dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 03/04/2004 : 09:57:54

coach!!
i second your 10000 bid.

go offer it joe.
you have all to gain.
the old story:

8o% of the the things you buy are on emotion.
20% you buy are rationalized with logic or data.
you have done a great job of rationalizing and gathering data.
now you need to let the emotional part decide.
give this post to your wife and see if she agrees.
if yes, it can't be wrong
both you and the seller are close, now decide.

i assure you,fit you are successful in the deal you will go through all the other phases of buyers remorse.
but, that's ok, it's only natural.

dave holtgrave
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sailing carlylelake in southern illinois
well not today, it's to rain 2+ inches

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unixverse
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Response Posted - 03/04/2004 : 10:50:27

Hello folks -

Thanks again for all the advice!

Yeah ... we offered $10,000 for it but now it seems like the broaker we're going through cannot get a hold of the seller ... or the seller does not want to return the v-mail even though it did not say anything about the number.

Pretty frustrating but I hope they'll bite for the $10,000 because I really love this boat!

Thanks,
Joe

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/04/2004 : 10:54:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by unixverse
 Yeah ... we offered $10,000 for it...I hope they'll bite for the $10,000 because I really love this boat!

Thanks,
Joe
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Good luck, Joe. I hope it works out for you.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/05/2004 : 20:27:56

With a diesel, it cost more to begin with... But it's debatable whether that makes a 25 footer more or less attractive in the general market. I bought a C-25 partly because it was just about the most boat I could comfortably push with an outboard, eliminating the various disadvantages of an inboard enumerated above. If I were doing long-range cruising, I'd get a bigger boat with a diesel.

If you decide to come to terms with the seller, get a professional survey (and make the final purchase contingent on it). With an inboard, you especially need a pro to check it out. They also can detect things like moisture in the deck core and a few other issues you're unlikely to catch. Be there for the survey with a clipboard--you'll learn a lot.

BTW, I'd take the position that the boat needs a new main--reducing its value by $500 or so. 18 years is beyond its expected life. (The sail costs more than that, but few boats are sold with brand new, unused sails.)

Best of luck!

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TomA
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Response Posted - 03/06/2004 : 11:44:56

Joe,

I'd like to pass along an experience that I had. I bought my 89 WK a couple of years ago; it was my first boat. Like you, I was worried about paying too much. This was all very new to me (I knew how much I didn't know). An experienced sailor and friend asked me if I thought I'd have $9,500 worth of fun with the boat. I thought that I would, and wrote the check.

Man, did I ever get a bargain on the fun and (experiences) meters! I think you want to get the the first digit of the sales price in the ball park, and don't worry too much about the other numbers that follow it.

In my experience, that old tale about the two happiest days in a boat owners life hasn't been farther from the truth!

Good luck!

Tom

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John V.
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Response Posted - 03/06/2004 : 23:37:19

I have spent more on my boat than I will ever get back on sale. I know that many of the things I have done to my boat will not bring a higher price however should I ever sell my boat, it will sell quickly because it is just so damn nice

I keep saying with each season, that when I get this next set of improvements done the boat will be perfect. Of course when I encounter a situation that requires a new piece of equipment.

back to west marine!!!

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