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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 09/21/2004 : 11:47:21

Bill,

The pics do not come up on my system, like to see them. Anyway, you will feel safer with the upgraded gudgeons. I added a third to 'Jude.

I was out with Paul around Treasure Island on Sat. Blowing 25-30 on the west side once we cleared Pier 39 (clockwise), in the lee it was pretty good too. Great, fast sail home.

It is fun to sail in company with a similar boat. I have learned a lot trying to keep up with Paul.

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958
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bbriner
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Response Posted - 09/25/2004 : 12:50:13

I don't know what happened with the pics but you can see them at this address:

http://photos.yahoo.com/wdbriner

Jim/Paul - I'd love to meet up with you sometime. As another person noted 'Wind Dancer' is particularly original (there's a C30 with the same name 3 berths away from me!) but I'm not too inclined to change the boats name. My hull/sail number is 4036.

Bill

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 09/27/2004 : 01:00:17

I was out at the lake yesterday to do some work on the boat and had a look-see through the little hatch at the aft end of the quarter berth (the "torpedo tube", we call it). My lower gudgeon is through-bolted to a brass or bronze backing plate inside the transom. This backing plate is NOT "glassed in" as some have reported on other C-25's. My boat is a Mk. IV, built in October 1988. I will probably upgrade to the heavy duty gudgeons if I ever decide to move the boat to the San Francisco Bay or Delta area permanently, as it gets a lot windier/choppier there than Folsom Lake.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/27/2004 : 10:41:44

Bill - it appears from looking at the pictures that if you had been even the slightest bit off-center with the hole, one of the two end bolts would have been realy tough to work with.

I've got the 4" access plate and the new gudgeons but with hurricanes coming through here almost every friggin' weekend, I haven't taken the time to get a hole saw yet. Yesterday the water was the highest in our marina that I've ever seen it, burying some docks and lapping over others. Lots of time spent adjusting lines on all the boats during the weekend

Steve

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bbriner
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Response Posted - 09/27/2004 : 10:50:51

Steve - yes, you're right. There is very little room to spare. I was very careful with my measurements and it was a good thing. My bottom gudgeon is 'glassed in' it appears. It's just a big huge gob of white something. If I ever have to repair that I don;t know what I would do.

Yesterday I noticed that the metal bars holding the tiller to the rudder (I'm sure there's a name for them but I don't know what it is) are slightly bent to port. That must have been some strong weather helm to bend those ... they are thick.

Good luck with all these hurricanes Steve...

Bill B
Wind Dancer 84C25 SR/FK/4036

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 09/27/2004 : 11:44:57

Bill B.,

That huge glob inside the transom by your lower gudgeon is probably the brass backer plate that the screws (SCREW!!!!!

) screw into.

Sand it flat, drill through and put in some real bolts if you want to keep steering Wind Dancer around Angel Island.

There is unimaginable stress on the rudder system that deformed your pintle straps and sheered off two of my 1/4 machine screws heads on the lower gudgeon (before I replaced them with bolts). I have to believe this is the weakest design point of the C25, but relatively easy to upgrade.

Paul and me are sailing on Saturday 2nd, do you want to try to meet up somewhere, like in China Cove on the E. side of Angel Island and do something? Or we could meet at your marina. I have never been into Richmond. I can bring my tender if we need to row ashore somewhere.

Jim Williams
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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/27/2004 : 17:37:21

Interestingly (to me anyway), my lower gudgeon has one bolt coming through the transom while the other (I assume original) two screws and backing plate are still hidden by the glassed-over blob. Obviously, the PO did some "good enough for now" repair at one time.

Steve

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