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Voyager
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Response Posted - 01/28/2008 : 18:23:52

Last summer, I was running downriver with a pretty good current so the GPS measured about 7 kts. As we rounded the bend near the tightest passage in the river I see a 20 foot fishing boat anchored crosswise in the channel with five guys with lines out going, bottom fishing for stripers.

Now there might have been 10 feet to either side of the boat, and I had some steerage, so I passed between the green buoy and one of his lines, luckily just barely missing the buoy. The other side of the buoy was a mud bank, so I couldn't go there. [I was hoping to snag one of his lines with the keel.]

Once we got by, I asked him over the VHF what the heck he was thinking? He told me to blow it out my rag-bag arse, he had no intention of going anywhere. The Rules apparently give him right of way.

I think that's about the most peeveworthy experience I've had in a while....

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/28/2008 : 20:15:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by crystal_blue
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">8. Old Salts that flem (put into flemmish coils) the double braid not even realizing what they are doing to their line. (or their deck)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

OK, I'll bite: What, exactly, does it do to their line?

--Jim
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A number of things -
UV rays beat the snot out of it for one. Second, unlike old line, double braid is woven with strands going both right and left. Coiling the line like a mat will hockle the line, which can cause it to jam in blocks, jam in cleats and override on winches. These also can cause weak spots were the breaking load is reduced, especially when line is coiled the same way in the same spot every time.

Additionally when the line is coiled and left on the deck it doesn't dry out like the old three strand did. The core stays wetter longer because the sheath slows evaporation. This leads to mildew which wreaks havoc on the line.

And last - all the dirt that washes along the deck in a storm comes to rest in the coil - which over time can stain the deck.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/28/2008 : 21:28:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Champipple
 A number of things - UV rays beat the snot out of it for one......<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">So, where do I hide my docklines from UV? And should I leave them in bundles that people can trip on or that can blow across the dock or into the drink where they can become homes for moss and mussels? Keep looking for these theories, and you'll also find that you supposedly should never tie a bowline in double-braid, leave braided line locked in a clutch, wrap and cinch a coil, or hang a coil in the sun--your lines might only last 40-50 years that way.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/28/2008 : 22:05:50

That part of a dockline would almost never be under load. Besides - didn't you say nobody else uses your dock

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/28/2008 : 22:30:26

The guests on my boat do.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 01/29/2008 : 08:21:24

(Narrated by that idiot that sells Oxy Clean in under 7 seconds) Whew, it looks like I got here just in time! You guys need to try, "Daytona Dave's NEW Dock line bags!!
Wonderful draw tight or zip bags made from alien compounds picked up on the moon! Comes in three sizes and four nautical colors! Blue, Light Blue, Dark Blue and Navy Blue!! OK, we'll send green if you really complain. Completely UV protected for 3000 years! Now You'd expect to pay at least $40.00 for these fine bags but for a limited time .............
Actually I coil my lines. They're dock lines and don't see a winch and the ends are pre-tied so they just slip on to the cleat ever so nicely. They'll last several years and by that time I'll be ready for a different color or whatever anyway

Edited by - DaveR on 01/29/2008 08:25:15

saribella
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Response Posted - 01/29/2008 : 15:01:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Voyager
 Last summer, I was running downriver with a pretty good current so the GPS measured about 7 kts. As we rounded the bend near the tightest passage in the river I see a 20 foot fishing boat anchored crosswise in the channel with five guys with lines out going, bottom fishing for stripers.

Now there might have been 10 feet to either side of the boat, and I had some steerage, so I passed between the green buoy and one of his lines, luckily just barely missing the buoy. The other side of the buoy was a mud bank, so I couldn't go there. [I was hoping to snag one of his lines with the keel.]

Once we got by, I asked him over the VHF what the heck he was thinking? He told me to blow it out my rag-bag arse, he had no intention of going anywhere. The Rules apparently give him right of way.

I think that's about the most peeveworthy experience I've had in a while....

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I think the FB ROW is mitigated if he is inhibiting traffic within a navigable waterway. I had the same issue with fishing boats running 100' trolling lines that covered the entrance/exit of the pier-head out into Lake MI. That FB complained to the CG when I crossed and snapped their lines. The CG told them they cannot block a navigable waterway regardless, and they assume the risk in doing so (implying the FB did not have the ROW).

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 01/29/2008 : 15:11:34

In Canada - a private fishing boat would be considered in the wrong in this case - however, a commercial fishing boat can do just about anything he wants and you would have been expected to wait for him to finish and move along, if you could not safely navigate around him. Regardless of how long he we there.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 01/29/2008 : 15:40:46

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/29/2008 : 16:45:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 In Canada - a private fishing boat would be considered in the wrong in this case...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Same in the US.

First, a sportfishing boat is definitely not a "vessel engaged in fishing" under the rules. Strike one.

Second, anchoring in a marked channel is obstructing traffic. Strike two.

Third, the guy's an... ummm... well, strike three!

BTW, as tempting as it might be to take out his lines in those situations, monofilament line can wreak havoc on the prop-shaft seal on your outboard.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/29/2008 16:48:10

crystal_blue
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Response Posted - 01/29/2008 : 16:53:18

Indeed, Dave. So much safer just to take the anti-submarine net cutter off an old WW2 submarine and mount it to the leading edge of your keel.

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 12:43:02

1- People who don't know the laws and rules and put others in danger.

2- Boats with bypass on exhaust so they are obnoxiously loud.

#1- Most common, I had to deal with one of these recently; wind blowing 20+ Kts, power boat pulling ski tube with kids about 50yds ahead, I'm going to weather, going to cross their stern with plenty of room. They see me coming, stop directly in front of me to pull the tube and kids out of the water. We tack away in a rush, very sloppy. We are so close you can talk in normal voice; one woman say "Sure is windy", I reply without raising my voice, "Yes it is. Learn the rules." Just a really stupid move on their part, endangering their children.

#2- Going away slowly on Lake Travis as we now have a noise ordinance. =D

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 13:11:53

Morons who automatically assume that, because you sail a 25 footer, you can't afford a bigger boat and feel the need to express their sympathy.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 13:34:18

http://rayswords.com/temp/bow-to-stern.jpg

regards.ray

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 13:35:10

Sorry about that...

regards.ray

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 14:02:56

Kayakers who choose the beginning of the hourly drawbridge opening to paddle through the middle of the bridge channel and stop in the middle on the other side of the bridge, with a 27-footer (me), a 50' sportfisherman, the 120' schooner Amistad, and the 80' schooner Argia lined up behind them. When calmly informed by me that they had some pretty heavy-duty traffic behind them, they gave me a classic New York reply and stayed there. (US-1 traffic was lined up waiting for the bridge to close...) The sportfisherman gave them a bit louder warning signal and some more "greetings" were exchanged...

Tourists!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 16:25:39

Re: running generators all night. After almost 2 years, I've slept on our C-25, Recess, only once, after a long night sail on a newbie's C-22. He was with me on our boat during the afternoon learners' session, after which I went out with him on his boat. My wife hasn't slept on Recess yet because she has sleep apnia and sleeps with a CPAP machine. To spend the night on the boat, we would have to run a small generator in the cockpit all night long. I've got a 1K generator for emergencies and am planning on trying it.
anybody know if they make CPAP machines that will run all night on a battery pack?

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Stardog
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 18:46:24

Hee-hee! Ray, I can relate to that, I did foredeck for a long time. Foredeck gets no respect, it's a grueling, thankless job.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 07/09/2008 : 22:36:09

Quote: "Morons who automatically assume that, because you sail a 25 footer, you can't afford a bigger boat and feel the need to express their sympathy."

What are you doing reviving a post from 6 months ago? Unheard of!!!

EXACTLY!!!! To own any vessel and operate it under command, regardless of size is in fact admirable. PERIOD. Let no seaman look down upon another based on the vessel in question! - that is unless they are in some sort of huge plastic condo with very little scope out

Size is relevant to what you are doing. Believe it or not, our 39.5 foot boat is small by todays standards. And we used to boast about being the smallest boat in the anchorage when we had our C25 - then came in a woody all of 22 feet, no motor, and propelled by an old guy - ok possibly ancient - rowing the damn thing from his dink!

We get it too... what no aft cabin with adjoining head? For all who toil, the boat you own free and outright beats the one you don't.

Sten

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SV Lysistrata - C&C 39 - Newport, RI

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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/10/2008 : 11:07:58

PEOPLE WHO SLOW THEIR PASSAGE DOWN RIVER BY SLAMMING INTO YOUR OUTBOARD AND LEAVE WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A BY YOUR LEAVE....AND YOU CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT A MESSAGE THAT YOU HAVE A DOCTORS APPOINTMENT AND YOU'LL BE LATE IF I DILLY/DALLY

VAL ON CALISTA, #3936, PATCHOGUE, N.Y.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 07/10/2008 : 13:33:56

Life's too short to get upset about someone elses boat or boating antics.

Packing up for winter and setting up for spring launch really bug me the most.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/11/2008 : 13:16:09

WELL THE DR.S APOINTMENT IS BEHIND ME AND I HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK OUT THE MOTOR TODAY...SPEED ABOVE 3 MPH INDUCES A VIBRATION AND ATTEMPTS TO MAX-OUT RPM'S PRODUCES A TOP SPEED OF 4.5/5 MPH...LAST TIME (PRE DAMAGE) PRODUCED 6.1/6.3.

AT THIS JUNCTURE I'M HOPING THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE PROP BLADES BEING KNOCKED OUT OF LINE, AND NOT A BENT PROP SHAFT.

HIGH TIDE TONIGHT IS ABOUT 5/6 P.M. THE YARD'S MAN IS GOING TO SWITCH OUT THE PROP TO A NEW PROP FROM HOME...KEEPING MY FINGERS X-ED.

VAL ON CALISTA#3936,PATCHOGUE,N.Y.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 07/11/2008 : 15:29:36

Bummer, Val... I think you're right--it's probably a bent blade. I don't think you can bend the shaft--it's in a cast housing that probably isn't very bendable.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/12/2008 : 09:51:59

DAVE...FROM YOUR LIPS TO GODS EAR...JUST GOT OFF THE WIRE WITH BOAT US AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET A SURVEYOR TO LOOK AT IT. THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR UNSEEN DAMAGE IS EVER PRESENT AND IT'S BETTER TO CHECK ALL POSSIBILITIES. I'D RATHER GET THE OTHER PROP ON AND GIVE IT A SEA TRIAL. IF IT STILL VIBRATES AND SHOWS LIMITED PROPULSION, THEN I'LL BE AHEAD OF THE GAME (SEASON) WHEN THE INSURANCE COMPANY GETS INTO GEAR..FINGERS xxxxxxxxx

VAL ON CALISTA #3936, PATCHOGUE, N.Y.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 07/15/2008 : 07:31:41

Sailing to wind on a wing keel with a blown out main against a 3 to 4 knot current inside a 40 foot channel on the ICW

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